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1 posted on 12/07/2007 11:30:47 AM PST by Borges
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"The Golden Compass" is a darker, deeper fantasy epic than the "Rings" trilogy,

Darker, yes. Deeper, I doubt it. Tolkien is so far out of Pullman's league that I don't think you would even be able to see Pullman's league from Tolkien's.
2 posted on 12/07/2007 11:36:29 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Borges

Kind of a non-review review. More of a description.


3 posted on 12/07/2007 11:37:58 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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I think I’ll run right out and see this pile of crap movie. /s


4 posted on 12/07/2007 11:38:41 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Borges
The books have been attacked by American Christians over questions of religion;

Surely there is a better word to describe disagreement than "attacked."

5 posted on 12/07/2007 11:40:28 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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When I saw the previews, I laughed at how stupid the movie looked. A girl named “Lyra”? A talking, armored polar bear? Magic dust? Gimme a break. And then I learned that it was anti-Christian. You’d have to be a fool to spend your money to go see this flop.


7 posted on 12/07/2007 12:04:56 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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The books have been attacked by American Christians over questions of religion; their popularity in the U.K. may represent more confident believers whose response to other beliefs is to respond, rather than suppress.

Christians are "intolerant" because they take an author at his word when he says that Christianity is evil and should be done away with. Right.

10 posted on 12/07/2007 12:17:32 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: Borges

11 posted on 12/07/2007 12:19:10 PM PST by Dan Lacey
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“The Magisterium has a horror of the truth, because it represents an alternative to its thought control; the battle in the movie is about no less than man’s preservation of free will.”

Man has free will, the philisophical question is whether there is any action that can be labelled “immoral” or “evil”. Man has the free will to “do” evil or not; other men should retain the freedom to label it evil.

Civilization is an ordered society. Whether that order comes “from religion” or not. Some want the freedom to do as they wish without consequence.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civilized


12 posted on 12/07/2007 12:23:31 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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Ebert is a propagandist, not a reviewer.


13 posted on 12/07/2007 12:24:42 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: Borges
The evil teacher in the film is named Mrs. Coulter?

LOL, gimme a break!

16 posted on 12/07/2007 12:33:38 PM PST by CharlieOK1 (you get that thing I sent ya?)
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23 posted on 12/07/2007 5:39:02 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: Borges
Armored bears?

"Does it not sicken a man, their padding wooly tread?"

But, Beavers in Chain Mail rock!

Full Disclosure: Never read the books, not going to, either, given the author's views. And if he wants to rail against mind-control, he should be attacking Marxists, not Christians.

Cheers!

25 posted on 12/07/2007 9:40:31 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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their popularity in the U.K. may represent more confident believers whose response to other beliefs is to respond, rather than suppress.

Believers? What, like a dozen of them? Western European churches are emptier than Michael Richards' day planner.

26 posted on 12/07/2007 9:47:54 PM PST by Sloth (Democrats and GOPers are to government what Jeffrey Dahmer and Michael Jackson are to babysitting)
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The books have been attacked by American Christians over questions of religion; their popularity in the U.K. may represent more confident believers whose response to other beliefs is to respond, rather than suppress.

That's just a cheap shot. First, how many readers of the books in the UK are believers? Second, how confident are they really? Third, what kind of a response do British Christians make to the book?

Could it be that most of the British readers aren't Christians? That they aren't very confident about their faith? Or that they haven't actually responed to Pullman?

Of course the big point is that disagreement and criticism aren't identical to "suppression." American critics of the book take Pullman's other comments into account. Ebert simply ignores them.

The problem with Pullman is that he wasn't content to simply be a writer and let the books he creates speak for themselves. He also preaches his cause. It makes him less of an artist and more of an ideologue.

People who disagree with his teaching are going to respond. And once a writer's made himself into a preacher, there's no going back to hiding behind the work. If his work is successful, it will stand alone without the preachments and weather controversy. But so far it doesn't look like it is.

30 posted on 12/08/2007 12:35:00 PM PST by x
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