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To: Aristotelian
I don't think it is nearly as rare in the universe as the writer implies...

The primary reason that I say that is because we only recently discovered that there are literally a billion other galaxies, and at this point we have only surveyed a few dozen or so with telescopes of different varieties and only a couple of those are close enough to determine that some of the systems have one or more planets.

We are not close enough to any of those to determine how many or what kind of moons they may have, and certainly not how they were formed. We can only prove that some sort of planet exists because of orbital anomalies in their suns. We cannot actually see any planets at all, much less moons.

Collisions must be common during the formation of galaxies and their planetary systems because everything starts out as a compact cluster of gas and building block materials. Collisions are a part of that formation and not only do they occur, they must occur.

Nope.....the moon is not all that special to anyone but us. Sure it is important to Earth and it's ability to grow so much life, but their certainly could be billions of other Earths in the universe.....Billions (in my most humble opinion)

20 posted on 11/23/2007 10:01:55 PM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Cold Heat; RightWhale

Re: planets observed in other galaxies

While you’re right that there ars billions of other galaxies and rach of those have billions of stars, I don’t think we are capable of resolving images, visible or radio frequencies, of stars in other galaxies sufficient to discern the tell-tale wobble of even a binary star much less the wobble of a planet. Our extra-solar planetary discoveries are pretty much limited to the local area in our own galaxy and that is a pretty small volume... as astronomic volumes go. We actually are working with a very small dataset.

I agree with the article’s premise that our moon is a rarity. But I think the postulated 5-10% is way too high. That percentage would almost guarantee that every star system with a planetary population of ten or more planets would have a similar dual planet created from a similar hypothetical ancient collision. I find that hard to believe.

Such collisions would require large numbers of planetary bodies having formed by accretion with wildly differing orbital shapes... Something that the stellar accretion ring to planet theory does not support. Any planet formed from such an accretion ring around the same star would orbit in essentially the same plane and in the same direction in orbits mimicking the circular orbits of their accretion ring.

The forces necessary to change the orbit of any planet accreted in the same stellar system from its original near circular orbit to a potential collision prone parabolic orbit are, well, astronomic. Gravity alone cannot account for it... Tidal forces will have already been automatically adjusted during the billions of years of accretion (otherwise the planets could not have formed).

The odds that numerous planet/moon combinations like ours were caused by collisions with cosmic interlopers, planets from outside the stellar system, are also beyond astronomic. First we would have to postulate a free roaming planet that had somehow escaped its own birth star. Then we would have to have sufficient time for this hypothetical impacting planetoid to cross interstellar distances while only moving at non-relatavistic speeds. And then it would have to either pass by the target planet at just the right velocity to be captured or be vectored just exactly right to impact another planet of similar size (too large and no material is blasted off to form a moon; too small and the interloper is not even captured by the star). Space is huge... A miss is far more likely than a hit.

Neither of these scenarios is likely to have occurred often enough for there to be that high of a percentage... I think one in a million would be too high.

Or perhaps planets are not formed as we think and some other mechanism than gravity is at work in their formation.


23 posted on 11/24/2007 10:29:51 AM PST by Swordmaker (This message entered entirely using my iPhone. Not hard at all!)
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To: Cold Heat

Current estimate is 100 billion galaxies inside the Hubble volume. Odds are no other earth. Some may be close eough in the major parameters that they could be made livable, but we as a species of engineering creature are not equipped to do anything of the sort. About all we can do is pass a law against Global Warming.


25 posted on 11/24/2007 10:36:53 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Cold Heat

Whoever penned the piece didn’t think it as rare as the headline writer either. I wouldn’t call 5 to 10 percent of planetary systems with similar features extremely rare. Extremely rare is more like White Sox world championships.


31 posted on 11/24/2007 12:37:34 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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