should felons have the right to carry guns legally? just answer that simple question and it will determine if we can talk further.
i'm talking about convicted felons.
as a follow up, should convicted felons have the right to vote?
Not felons convicted of a violent act.
as a follow up, should convicted felons have the right to vote?
If they've paid their debt to society-yes. They pay taxes too. Do you believe in taxation without representation?
If theyre safe enough to walk the streets, then by all means allow them to have arms, so long as the rest of us can counter balance them. not like they dont have em anyway.
and whos to say what a 'felony' is anymore? or could be tomarrow.
The scariest part of this thread is the fact that our political hacks in DC cant be trusted to not make a deal with the un, binding or not, that they would put lawyer spin on to coerce a large amount of dis-armament.
when that or some other silly sh!t like kali style incrementalism happens- most folks will probably feel like their 'all alone' and wont be ready to martyr themselves, knowing damn good and well that all theyre gonna get is a bunch of electronic support/condemnation.
We'd be better off if the libs would go ahead and declare war on us, imo thats gonna be the only thing to rally folks together. Is it time yet? we keep asking because we dont dare declare the war ourselves without being persecuted/prosecuted and really left alone...
I just pray that if the boot kicks on my door that I can win at least one battle...
my .02...
“should felons have the right to carry guns”
If it is illegal for a “felon” to carry a gun, the government will just make every crime a felony. This is already happening. Take a look at restraining orders or hate speech legislation for some examples. Then, the government will invent new crimes and make them felonies too. Take a look at seatbelt laws, smoking laws, and transfat legislation for some examples.
When you get out of jail, you have paid your debt to society. You regain all the rights you had before your crime. Voting rights included, even if a few ex-cons were to vote for somebody we don’t like. If you don’t believe the perpetrators of some crimes should ever have a gun again, then give those criminals the death penalty.
As a corollary, if the “Mentally Ill” are not allowed to carry a gun, then eventually everybody who has ever gone for treatment at a mental hospital or a physiatrist/psychologist/counselor will lose their gun rights. How do you prove you aren’t crazy? Next, the government will make psychiatric evaluation mandatory (perhaps under a socialist medicine system), and it will find that nobody is mentally fit enough to carry a gun (except those in power and their enforcers). This is already happening. Take a look at some of the stories here on FR about doctors that ask children if their parents own guns and if they “seem violent”.
Keep in mind that the people that want to commit crimes with firearms will commit crimes without them if need be, and these same people do not go through the normal channels to get their weapons anyway. They rarely go to mental health professionals for treatment, either. Also, the crimes themselves are already illegal, and you will never stop evil from occurring no matter how many freedoms you give up. Gun laws only affect non-criminals, and the goal is to remove guns from legal use in hopes to make them more difficult to obtain for use in crimes. Take a look at illegal drugs to see how well this philosophy works in practice.
This is all Dictatorship 101. Useful idiots who are fooled by bad ideas that look good on paper will open the door for 1984. You were warned.