Here's the Reason Why All Guns Are Going to be Prohibited

Libertygunrights ^

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This report hopes to assist in protecting the right of the people to keep and bare arms, individually and collectively, for the safety of the individual, and for the safety of the nation. There are certain fundamental laws and principles over which public officials have no authority to alter or to deny--not even if they profess to have acquired the 'consent of the governed'. In this case, prohibiting possession and use of arms is not possible, because those rights which have been endowed upon man by the Creator are unalienable, and nor revocable by mankind. The purpose of this report is to show how 'consent of the governed' has become abused, and how government officials in the lead state with the help of change agents had set out to destroy the essential and unalienable right of the people to keep and bare arms, by setting into motion unauthorized and unlawful procedures and then pretend that they operated under the 'consent of the governed'.

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They need to petition the Congressional, Executive and Judicial branch officials of both Fed and State governments to enforce the 2nd, just as they are bound by Article VI.

Is there not a brave enough person in Ca. to petition the courts?

Careful on what you call them. -- There are many here that applaud the so-called 'right' of a gov't [fed/state/local] to deprive individuals certain aspects of life, liberty, or property.
If Legislators or the Courts decide certain types of guns/drugs/behaviors are 'harmful', they ciaim a power to prohibit them.

Fancy that indeed. ;)

I'll have to stick to my original remark about them, stupid idiots.

[budwiesest]

you have to enforce the law in a framework that attempts to reduce crime while protecting constitutionally afforded rights.

At first glance, this seems difficult. Upon second glance, you'll realize that armed criminals and armed up-right citizens is, at the very least, a wash. Better still, we (the up-standing) out weigh the criminal element by a factor of let's say, ten (that's including our esteemed Washington representatives).

We'll turn this corner when Granny Gets Her Gun and no sooner. The good 'ole days will return the day we return fire. (Tag-your it)

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These are long-standing written agreements between the federal government administrations and the worldwide international organization as evidenced in “The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World” as well as in two Public Laws (P.L. 87-297 and P.L. 101-216) neither of which have ever been rescinded. Instead, Congress has been appropriating funds every two years for the objectives of these two laws to prosper.

Also, have any of you ever checked out. State Department Publication 7277 Or Executive Order 13286. Which is where I got the snip. You may as well look up Public Law 101-216 while you're looking up articles.

[thefactor]

please see the last sentence of post #83. you’re right.

[budwiesest]

please see the last sentence of post #83. you’re right.

No, we're both right! ;^)

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You have FRmail.

[uncbob]

So why did the NRA have to go to court

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This from our own State Department:

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DISARMAMENT GOAL AND OBJECTIVES

The overall goal of the United States is a free, secure, and peaceful world of independent states adhering to common standards of justice and international conduct and subjecting the use of force to the rule of law; a world which has achieved general and complete disarmament under effective international control; and a world in which adjustment to change takes place in accordance with the principles of the United Nations.

In order to make possible the achievement of that goal, the program sets forth the following specific objectives toward which nations should direct their efforts:

* The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their re-establishment in any form whatsoever other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a

United Nations Peace Force.

* The elimination from national arsenals of all armaments , including all weapons of mass destruction and the means for their delivery, other than those required for a United Nations Peace Force and for maintaining internal order:

* The institution of effective means for the enforcement of international agreements, for the enforcement of international disputes, and for the principles of the United Nations;

* The establishment and effective operation of an International Disarmament within the framework of the United Nations to insure compliance at all times with all disarmament obligations.

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What we need to understand is that the un was created to be confusing. There are treaties for treaties. We weren't meant to figure out how they worked until it was too late.

In my investigating the un you can not lift a rock or turn a page where we, the U.S. isn't working hand in hand with them. We stop and fight for a better deal from them is the only resistance we offer. It's not that we, or rather our officials disagree with them-they just want to wrangle a better deal.

Make sense out of this.

The Complexification of the United Nations System

It's in pdf. It's 57 pages.

[azhenfud]

True, but they love to push the limits and, sadly enough, the majority will cede liberties just for a meager sense of security - ignorantly allowing subtle encroachments and infringements because it doesn’t appear to directly affect them right at that moment.

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subtle encroachments and infringements because it doesn’t appear to directly affect them right at that moment.

There it is. Hardly noticeable when taken away one at a time.

[mirkwood]

“Stop assuming you know us.”

By “us” I am hoping that you mean any law abiding gun owner. Is that the “us” that you are uncomfortable with? When the gun laws change you will be their first target, and you will NOT get the chance to fight. My whole point is that you are full of shiite if you think that you can fight off the gov. Ain’t gonna happen. But I will never stop you from spouting your nonsense on FR. I will kil...my ash

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Could someone answer me this. Are our civilian police supposed to work together with our military or are they not allowed to do that under our constitution?

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By “US” Einstein, Me and my family. I don’t speak for people I don’t know. And you can kiss my @$$ to boot.

[mirkwood]

“Stop assuming you know us.”

How do I get to know several persons who think that the 2nd amendment is adjustible? IT IS ROCK SOLID. There is no ambiguity in the 2nd.

[Sal]

Did you know that we signed over 460 treaties last year, give or take a couple of treaties. Bush is pushing for 35 treaties and I can't for the life of me find out what they are. But they're very important to him.

No, I didn't know that and it sure doesn't sit well. LOST is particularly upsetting.

I think if they try to enforce some of the worst ones--such as UN taking actual control over things as opposed to simply putting up signs on OUR national parks--they'll be in for a terrible surprise.

They were shocked at the reaction to Shamnesty and that was restricted to words written, spoken and electronic--but still just words. I sure hope they don't force us beyond words.

[mirkwood]

And you can kiss my @$$ to boot.

Now that was the most intelligent thing that you have said in this whole thread.