Posted on 10/05/2007 1:17:53 PM PDT by thehumanlynx
and this.. As long as it's dissecting the six or seven passages in the Bible that ostensibly disparage homosexuality, this documentary ode to tolerance takes a shrewd look at how speciously selective and ahistorical the church condemnation of gays really is.
The injunction against eating shellfish applies only to the people of Israel.
The designation of sodomy as an abomination is proscribed absolutely - it is not restricted to any specific ethnic or cultural group.
Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Some homosexual activists have argued that moral imperatives from the Old Testament can be dismissed since there were certain ceremonial requirements at the time—such as not eating pork, or circumcising male babies—that are no longer binding.
While the Old Testament’s ceremonial requirements are no longer binding, its moral requirements are. God may issue different ceremonies for use in different times and cultures, but his moral requirements are eternal and are binding on all cultures.
Pretty simple and straightforward to me.
What was Sodom and Gomorrah all about? Just another Folsem Street Fair sponsored by Miller Brewing?
I don't know,
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
seems pretty unamibiguous.
From Paul’s letter to the Romans, Ch. 1:
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
And from 1 Corinthians Ch. 6:
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Yep - Pretty clear to me
At the first Church Council, one of the few Jewish laws the Church decided were still bind on Christians was that against porneia (sp?) or fornication. The original meaning of this word is more inclusive than its common use today and refers to all types of sexual immorality, obviously including homosexuality. Another word derived from it is pornography. Essentially porneia is any sex outside marriage.
But please note that all forms of sexual immorality were included. Way too many “Christians” today ignore that the account in Acts, as well as that in 1 Corinthians that you quote lumps all forms of heterosexual immorality right in with homosexuality as being forbidden.
It’s easy to condemn a form of immorality you aren’t tempted by. A lot harder to condemn something when you are practicing it yourself. (Or would like to.) :)
True. Paul even points out in Romans that we all have sinned and fallen short. That sometimes we do the things we don’t want to do and not the things we should do. That is original sin living within us at work. And thank God we can come to Him for forgiveness. However, once made aware of what God wants of us, knowing how He wants us to live, these admonishments serve to remind us of how we should live.
Now, making a movie with the objective to justify a way of life that most Christians believe is contrary to what God wants of us is like blaspheme. It’s the promotion of exchanging the truth of God for a lie.
Just MHO.
true, but I dont find many people who try and say that the bible does not speak clearly on adultery or the like, the way that they try and justify homosexuality.
not sure if you had heard of this little gem yet
link to rotten tomatoes reviews of flick http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/for_the_bible_tells_me_so/
You may have noticed the rather large number of movies and TV shows (that would be most of them for the last 40 years) built around the idea of promoting and making glamorous the notion of casual sex, adultery and other forms of (heterosexual) immorality.
Not too many people, or even Christians, object to this any more.
My point is not that the Bible says homosexuality is OK. Obviously it condemns it. But it equally condemns adultery, fornication and other forms of heterosexual immorality. You don’t see too many groups organized to fight against the “fornication agenda.”
You don’t see too many groups organized to fight against the “fornication agenda.” Thats because fornication is an act. That is discouraged by Christians, also more pointedly, fornicators do not spew off at the mouth demanding that they be held unaccountable for their actions b/c they have no choice but to be fornicators based upon their dna, the way homos do. No one contests that fornication is wrong based on Biblical standards, and there is no agenda to try and push that idea on people.
Its two totally different animals.
One is more or less accepted, especially by boys, although not necessarily approved. The other is treated as the greatest sin that it is possible to commit.
fornicators do not spew off at the mouth demanding that they be held unaccountable for their actions ... there is no agenda to try and push that idea on people.
We're obviously watching different TV programs. :)
One is more or less accepted, especially by boys, although not necessarily approved. The other is treated as the greatest sin that it is possible to commit. .. Its not accepted by the Christians that I congregate with.
I dont think its treated as the greatest sin possible. I think it is more about the social pressures to change Biblical doctrines. Like I said, people who are engaging in premarital sex arent forming groups (to the extent) like the gay groups to try and convince everyone that the Bible doesnt actually say what it says, or mean what it says. Gay groups do this, thus the backlash.
We're obviously watching different TV programs. :)
Maybe so, but I think that if someone did form a group that said, "I have to have sex with a few girls a week, because I was born that way, but its OK b/c the Bible doesnt actually apply to this b/c I was born that way " we would laugh at the absurdity of it. No one believes that, b/c we all have selfcontrol.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous...
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: ...
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast....
“Can the love between two people ever be an abomination?”
The very first sentence presents a false premise. Sodomy is not love but lust. And yes, degenerate and voracious lust is ALWAYS an abomination.
Do not disagree with most of what you say.
However, we don’t see groups parading for acceptance of heterosexual immorality precisely because that battle has already been won. Perhaps not among more strict conservative Christians, but certainly in general society there is little or no stigma to practicing such things.
It’s interesting the way they edited the trailer. Certainly, we must love the sinner because the sinner can be redeemed - saved (if they choose). It’s the recognition of the sin and the subsequent legitimizing of it that goes contrary to what Christians believe. This trailer goes a long way to making even conservative Christians try to feel guilty. They (the producers) certainly do not understand Christians.
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