Posted on 09/22/2007 9:55:20 AM PDT by Renfield
New book angers historians with claims maid was not an illiterate peasant but a royal....
She was a peasant teenager inspired by voices from God to lead the French against the English, and burned as a witch before being recognised as a hero and saint. For centuries, France's cult of Joan of Arc has been seized on by politicians looking for patriotic martyr figures, including by Nicolas Sarkozy during his presidential campaign.
Now a new book has sparked anger among historians by claiming the Maid of Orléans was not an illiterate peasant but a royal. She did not hear voices and was not burned at the stake, but escaped with the help of English soldiers and went on to live a happily married life.....
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
That’s a tad unfair... McCarthy was all about that!Oh, and it's fair to compare me with Joe McCarthy?
> Oh, and it’s fair to compare me with Joe McCarthy?
If you were being compared with Joe McCarthy, I would have written “you are just like Joe McCarthy!” rather than pointing out that Joe McCarthy was all about unfairly attacking those he felt had “socialist leanings.”
If you’ve read more into it than that, it is certainly unintentional.
McCarthy didn’t just attack those “...he felt who had socialist leanings”. The Soviet Union was not a communist country, but rather a socialist state. The state, according to Marx, was culturally and politically evolving to “pure” communism. American socialists heavily supported the Soviets, up to and including spying for them. American Democrats and liberals, who are in fact socialists, still cannot stand to see a communist having a bad day, particularly at the hands of the United States.
Despite the blacklisting, McCarthy was generally right in who he called a communist, and these data are available from recently declassified Soviet documents. (See Ann Coulter’s book, Treason. The Rosenbergs, in fact, were executed for espionage, and rightfully so. Actually, I wouldn’t mind at all being compared with Sen. McCarthy!
Since it was a direct equating, yeah, I guess I “misunderstood”. Hemingway was a socialist, and in Spain he ran with the Stalinists.
> Franco may have hung out with the fascists, but he wasn’t so much a part of their club to go to war with them.
And he didn’t have the strength of Character to side with the Good Guys, either. WW-II would have looked alot different had Spain sided with the Allies.
Nope, in my books Franco remains one of the Bad Guys.
He didn't have the strength, period.
It wasn't Spain's fight. Spain wasn't attacked. Spain had not guaranteed the integrity of Poland's borders (remember Poland?). Spain didn't have the resources to contribute anything to the war against the Axis; if they had come in with the Allies they wouldn't have been able to repel a German invasion.
Under the circumstances, neutrality was absolutely a moral and honorable course to take, as it was with Switzerland, Sweden, Portugal, and Vatican City.
> It wasn’t Spain’s fight.
World War II was every decent country’s fight. “Neutrality” wasn’t a legitimate option: it was Good versus Evil.
> Spain didn’t have the resources to contribute anything to the war against the Axis;
The Germans and Italians would have had a merry time trying to sneak warships past Gibraltar into the Mediterranean had Spain fought with the Good Guys. Vichy France may have been much less comfortable had Spain been in the war.
> if they had come in with the Allies they wouldn’t have been able to repel a German invasion.
Didn’t need to: Franco had already sold his soul to the Axis. They were old-time beer buddies by that time.
> Under the circumstances, neutrality was absolutely a moral and honorable course to take, as it was with Switzerland, Sweden, Portugal, and Vatican City.
War wimps all: at the very best, they were good men who did nothing, in the Edmund Burke meaning of the phrase. In the case of Franco, I have reservations even on that concession.
There was only one moral and honorable course to take during WW-II, and thank God our ancestors took it. Franco, and the leaders of the countries you mention above, to their eternal shame, chose not to.
Sorry, I don’t agree with you on this, not even one little bit.
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