Posted on 09/10/2007 3:24:38 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
Kathy Griffin wins Emmy, no thanks to Jesus 09/08/2007 - Kathy Griffin - 59th Annual Primetime Creative Arts Emmy Awards - The Shrine Auditorium - Los Angeles, CA © David Gabber / PR Photos
By Stone Martindale Sep 10, 2007, 3:42 GMT
Kathy Griffin's Bravo series "My Life on the D-List" won the Emmy for "Best Reality Program (non-competition).
Her speech was memorable, in which she refused to thank Jesus.
"A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this. He had nothing to do with this," Griffin said. "Suck it, Jesus. This award is my God now."
The comic has won that Emmy she’s long coveted.
I've always found it interesting that fallen-away Catholics tend to be angry and bitter, whereas fallen-away Protestants are merely disinterested.
Yes, most so-called "ex-Catholics" are anything but, since their entire faith life is organized around hatred of that Church.
I've met a few Catholics who have really left it all behind (including an excellent pastor in our town), but it's quite rare.
I have noticed as well that this is pretty much a Catholic phenomenon, with the exception of a (very) few bitter ex-Evangelicals who were made to suffer a sort of scarlet letter syndrome and became shunned after a (real or perceived) sin of a public nature. I’m not sure why. In the case of Ms Griffin, her hatred of the Lord does seem demonic.
Boycotting will just encourage her. Ignore her and she will disappear.
She craves attention. Deny her that is going to hurt her more than anything else.
She said that later under pressure. It is understood that you
leave kids alone.
Never heard of her.
>> She said that later under pressure. It is understood that you leave kids alone. <<
But that’s just it: if she had been clear that it was a joke, it’d also be obvious that she was satirizing OTHER kid stars (like Britney Spears), not Dakota Fanning.
She is a horrible woman.
Uh, Abraham Lincoln was anti-Christianity, and in fact, regarded by many of his closest friends, an atheist.
Who do you believe?Abraham Lincoln said he was not a Christian but became one after his son Tad died.Check out
William J Federer’s AMerica’s God and Country— If Lincoln was Not a Christian -and Lincoln said he was not always a devout man. HE wa sNot hostile toward Christianity. And his proclamation of 1863 When he declared “We have forgotten God” stands on it’s own merit. Either he said it and was a Liar and Not someone worthy of respect. Or he said what history records he said.
Who do I believe? I believe Lincoln’s close personal friend, William Herndon, whose letters to others about this issue have been published and commented upon by many others. Herndon knew Lincoln to be strongly anti-Christianity throughout his life up until his death. Lincoln was at best ambivalent about his belief in God, and Herndon recalled many statements by Lincoln suggesting he, in fact, was an atheist. Many of those letters can be read on the Internet.
SO I am not to believe YOu about yourself-but somebody else? If that floats your boat -Whatever.
Believe whomever you like. There have been plenty of scholars who have written about Lincoln’s religious beliefs. There is little doubt in my mind that Lincoln was not a believer in Christianity (which personally doesn’t offend me), and based on the books I’ve read, he was probably an agnostic or atheist. The fact that he referred to God in an occasional speech doesn’t mean he was a believer. As you probably know, many of our very first few Presidents, and even later ones like Lincoln, were deists, or Unitarian, or Utilitarian, or at least not traditional Christians. Many paid tribute to God and Christ publicly, but in private letters spoke of their disdain for Christianity or religion in general.
Lincoln was a truly brilliant man — his IQ has been estimated by many scholars as probably one of the highest of any President. It wouldn’t surpise me if he was appropriately skeptical of religion.
If man is created in the image of God, if we have the ability to reflect His glory on earth and be His honorable servants, how can it be that the defining feature of human life is the ability to guess rightly on a narrow set of ideas and words in order to avoid limitless torture? I cannot see any dignity in a such an existence, and therefore cannot see how it could be the plan of God for those he created. What would that say about Him?
To be clear, I'm in not arguing against turning to Christ for salvation, but I can't see any justice or mercy in this view of damnation. I could understand hell as a kind of purgatory, purifying one of his sins, and I could see eternal damnation as meaning that one will forever be in a state of death until he turns to God.
But, to put it bluntly, the idea that human life is like a game show where the Muslims, the Buddhists, the sincere secularists, and even some Christian sects all must suffer eternally, while others who chose the correct set of ideas gain eternal bliss, I just can't reconcile this concept with a supreme diety. I makes the Almighty into someone capricious. How can that be?
I don't expect you to answer all my theological questions, :) but this is what underlies my reluctance to proclaim Kathy Griffin as a candidate for eternal hell based on her stupid rantings.
Maybe you are.....(chuckle)
Ok, Badeye's perfection duly noted!
Seems to me like a child trying to get attention by being shocking. In horrible taste, but not an indicator of an evil soul, in my opinion.
An interesting issue.
1. Certainly she's trying to get attention.
2. I don't know that child quite fits. Her emotional age? Perhaps. But she's been quite old enough to do a number of things . . . quite willfully . . . arrogantly . . . with plenty of support and evidently money involved that presumeably she spent as she jolly well wished instead of being on a very limited allowance. Besides all that . . . she has seemed more than a little hell bent to at least pretend that she's an adult in as many inane, trashy etc. ways as she could.
More telling, however . . . is the seeming intensity, fierceness, wholesale and deep affrontery toward God Almighty. There's some deep rooted, pernicious evil lurking therein. Her rebellion is more than a Mardi Gras lark. It is long standing, broad and deep.
God is not amused.
Certainly He is compassionate . . . and is long suffering. It may be that she can be turned to confession and repentance. Saul was turned around. But her personna indicates otherwise. She strikes me as rather like Shrillery Klintoon . . . wallowing in, drinking to the dregs and glorying in rank pernicious evil. There are consequences.
There is no eternal vacation from reaping what any of us sow.
God is not going to avoid responding . . . in His way(s) . . . in His time. She will KNOW to the marrow of her bones and the depths of her sub-atomic particles that God HAS RESPONDED rather EMPHATICALLY. Stay Tuned.
BTW, Anyone . . . is this Merv Griffin’s daughter?
Merv was evidently inredibly decent to many folks.
What a sad development if this is his offspring.
If so, clearly all was not peachy keen in River City.
Good and wise points.
Thx.
This wasn't God's plan. This is our plan created when we set ourselves apart from God (as illustrated in the Bible in the Garden of Eden). God didn't leave us to this existance, we left Him. What you're struggling with doesn't speak of God, it speaks of us. It was God's later covenant with the people of Israel that began to make things right again with God. And that move on His part culminates in the birth of His Son, our Savior, Jesus Christ. That's! what we should concentrate on when we think about what He's done for us.
But, to put it bluntly, the idea that human life is like a game show where the Muslims, the Buddhists, the sincere secularists, and even some Christian sects all must suffer eternally, while others who chose the correct set of ideas gain eternal bliss, I just can't reconcile this concept with a supreme diety.
Christ teaches us Mat 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." And Mat 7:14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. God holds us to an obligation. That obligation is our acceptance of His Son as our Savior, and all our works then on Earth dedicated to His glory. That is the only true way to salvation: Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.I'm not qualified nor capable of answering your theological questions. But I do care about your spiritual welfare. And I have pinged a Lutheran pastor, Charles Henrickson, to this discussion.
Charles, here is a Christian struggling with the meaning of God's wrath for man's sin. I'd appreciate your back-threading through our conversation, and taking up the cudgel. I'm very concerned over his understanding of Scripture, and pray for his coming to a firm realization of God's grace for those who come to him.
SupplySider, I believe Charles, while he may not be of your particular faith, will be far more able than I to help you on your path to understanding. God's blessings on you, and I hope we can continue to be in touch with one another.
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