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Southwest fashion police set no-fly zone (Today Show update & Crotch shot)
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 9/5/07 | Gerry Brayn

Posted on 09/07/2007 6:02:09 AM PDT by wilco200

As the mercury climbed over 100 on Labor Day, I called Southwest Airlines with a not entirely hypothetical question:

Could a young woman board a flight to Tucson today wearing a bikini top?

Angelique, the agent who took my call, assured me that a young woman could.

“We don't have a problem with it if she's covered up in all the right spots,” she said. “We don't have a dress code.”

Tell that to Kyla Ebbert, who was escorted off a Southwest Airlines flight two months ago for wearing an outfit far less revealing than a bikini top.

Ebbert, a Mesa College student and Hooters waitress, was allowed to stay on the plane, but only after she put up a fight and, she says, was lectured on how to dress properly.

I don't know about you, but one of my big gripes with the airlines is that they just don't take the time to dispense fashion advice any more.

Southwest explained its treatment of Ebbert in a letter to her mother, saying it could remove any passenger “whose clothing is lewd, obscene or patently offensive” to ensure the comfort of children and “adults with heightened sensitivities.”

Ebbert, 23, says she was judged unfairly by the airline and humiliated by the experience. Who wouldn't be?

She had a doctor's appointment that afternoon in Tucson, where temperatures had topped 106 all week. She arrived at Lindbergh Field wearing a white denim miniskirt, high-heel sandals, and a turquoise summer sweater over a tank top over a bra.

After the plane filled, and the flight attendants began their safety spiel, Ebbert was asked to step off the plane by a customer service supervisor, identified by the airline only as “Keith.”

They walked out onto the jet bridge, where Keith told Ebbert her clothing was inappropriate and asked her to change. She explained she was flying to Tucson for only a few hours and had brought no luggage. “I asked him what part of my outfit was offensive,” she said. “The shirt? The skirt? And he said, 'The whole thing.' ”

Keith asked her to go home, change and take a later flight. She refused, citing her appointment. The plane was ready to leave, so Keith relented. He had her pull up her tank top a bit, pull down her skirt a bit, and return to her seat.

Ebbert says several flight attendants overheard the conversation and, after an embarrassing walk down the aisle, she took her seat and spread a blanket over her lap. She kept her composure until the plane landed, when she called her mother and broke down.

She took a photo of herself with her cell phone so her mother could see her clothes. That's when mom became livid.

“My daughter is young, tall, blond and beautiful,” Michele Ebbert told me, “and she is both envied and complimented on her appearance. She dresses provocatively, as do 99 percent of 23-year-old girls who can. But they were out of line.”

Who knows where the lines are drawn these days, particularly when it comes to dress? If you watch television, or visit the mall, or take in a game at Petco Park, you'll see women dressed in ways that, 50 years ago, were pornographic. Today they are stylish.

A Supreme Court justice famously could not define “obscene,” and declaring a thing “lewd” imputes motive. Did Kyla Ebbert intend to excite sexual desire on that flight to Tucson? I doubt it, just as I doubt that flight attendants are proper judges of such matters.

But neither am I. So when I arranged to see Ebbert in the notorious outfit, I brought along my fashion advisers, writer Nina Garin and photojournalist Crissy Pascual, who for years collaborated on a feature in this newspaper called “Seen on the Street.”

The three of us met Ebbert and her mother for lunch at Nordstrom Cafe. Ebbert, who is 5-foot-5 and has green eyes, is pretty enough to be a model.

Yet even wearing the clothes that scandalized Southwest, she did not attract attention beyond some lingering glances.

My fashion advisers were baffled, saying they saw nothing you don't see on a college campus or in Pacific Beach.

“I was expecting to be shocked, and I was shocked the other way,” Pascual told me.

“It wasn't a big deal,” Garin said. “Her skirt was a bit short, which was only accented by her heels. If she had been wearing flip-flops it wouldn't have mattered.”

Garin wondered if a jealous woman may have complained about Ebbert's outfit. I asked her what she would have said had she been on the plane.

“ 'I hope she's not sitting next to my husband,' ” Garin replied. “She's pretty. She wears her clothes well. But I wouldn't complain about it.”

Pascual detected sexism in the way Ebbert was treated, wondering if a man would have been asked to change clothes. Do men dress inappropriately? “I see butt cracks, a lot of butt cracks,” she said.

In its letter, Southwest said “there were concerns about the revealing nature of her outfit.”

I called Hollye Chacón, the Southwest customer relations representative who wrote the letter, to see if we were talking about the same outfit.

“What exactly was being revealed?” I asked.

She said yesterday she'd call back, but never did. That's pretty revealing in itself.


TOPICS: Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: fashionpolice; moralitypolice; notguilty; southwest; southwestairlines
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To: MarkL
I agree. After they leave the home, a mom has no control over how they dress. I raised my daughters to dress modestly. However, now that they are out on their own one of my daughters wears shorter skirts (mid-thigh). My other daughter wouldn't be caught dead wearing a short skirt.

The pressure to conform is intense. I don't blame my daughter for wanting to feel like she looks pretty. But I do worry about her safety and that she is attracting the wrong kind of attention. A mom can only say so much however without driving her children away with criticism. You can only hope they outgrow it before they get hurt. And do a lot of praying!

61 posted on 09/07/2007 8:59:53 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Heaven: preregistration is required!)
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To: ishabibble

My 77 year old mom asked me a few years ago: “Jack, when did everyone start wearing pajamas on airplanes?”


62 posted on 09/07/2007 9:45:30 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Orange1998
She had a doctor's appointment that afternoon in Tucson

Yeah Right.

Probably to check on her leaking breast implants.

63 posted on 09/07/2007 10:02:21 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: wilco200
He had her pull up her tank top a bit, pull down her skirt a bit, and return to her seat.

I have a feeling that the picture and interviews we are seeing both on the news and on The Today Show, are taken after the outfit was repositioned.

64 posted on 09/07/2007 10:09:38 AM PDT by mupcat
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To: Trailerpark Badass
your screen name says it all with regard to this story.

i wonder for what kind of doctor's appt she had to get on a plane. could it have been a follow-up appt for some sort of plastic surgery in the recent past? did it say in the story?

i'm sure daddy stops by hooter's every once in a while to show his friends how his little girl is all growns up!

65 posted on 09/07/2007 10:13:30 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: deport

Check this out from YouTube. Klik the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeladw3VyU&NR=1


66 posted on 09/07/2007 11:31:47 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: Tide Gal
Having said that, I am not comfortable with Southwest or any other entity becoming fashion police.

It's Southwest Airlines' $30-$40 million dollar aircraft and SWA should have the right to say who rides in it and who doesn't.

If I were in charge of an airline's dress code, any clothing that reveals a girl's "tramp stamp" low back tattoo would be vorboten. Those tramp stamp tattoos are not only unattractive IMHO, they're usually worn by women who really shouldn't expose any more UNattractive features than necessary.

67 posted on 09/07/2007 11:40:07 AM PDT by epow (Why are there Interstate Highways in Hawaii?)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
68 posted on 09/07/2007 12:19:56 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: NCC-1701

Thanks...... don’t remember the ad per se but have flown SW back in it’s early hot pants days.....


69 posted on 09/07/2007 12:25:49 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Keep your powder dry--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Orange1998
"She had a doctor's appointment that afternoon in Tucson"

She might have meant that she had an appointment with a doctor.

70 posted on 09/07/2007 2:07:57 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: OldEagle

:)


71 posted on 09/07/2007 2:36:36 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: wilco200

I didn’t think she looked all that trashy. First they complain about fat travelers and now this. I say she’s OK and she looks fine.


72 posted on 09/07/2007 4:01:28 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (Relax everyone it's almost hockey season!!!)
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To: Jack Black
My 77 year old mom asked me a few years ago: “Jack, when did everyone start wearing pajamas on airplanes?”

Given the security at airports these days, I've given serious thought to traveling wearing nothing but sweats and flip-flops, no metal, and carrying a carry on bag, and nothing on my person except my drivers license, airline ticket and boarding pass. No metal.

Mark

73 posted on 09/07/2007 7:03:24 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: wilco200

Put that burka back on, bitch., oh and get me some rice and goathead first.


74 posted on 09/07/2007 7:17:36 PM PDT by 359Henrie (We need Gen. Curtis Le May, Liberals give us Gen. Wesley Clark.)
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To: deport
Have you flown in the last 15 years? Would you really want to see most of the hostesses working today in hot-pants?

Excuse me while I run and hide.

Mark

75 posted on 09/07/2007 7:19:14 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: AngryJawa

Perfect! I watched that episode last night!


76 posted on 09/07/2007 10:56:20 PM PDT by BruceysMom (I don't believe in soul mates, I don't think most men have souls.)
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To: freekitty

Fair ‘nuf - I have all the equipment for knee jerk reactions, and exercise it often


77 posted on 09/08/2007 3:55:52 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: ClearCase_guy
But in the Victorian Age, you wouldn't be able to vent on a forum like this because computers wouldn't exist.

Also, wearing a shirt and tie to the beach with a bowler hat doesn't appeal to me.

78 posted on 09/08/2007 4:30:16 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 79 days away from outliving Freddie Mercury)
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To: SamAdams76
If you have any interest in Science Fiction, I recommend "The Diamond Age" by Neal Stephenson. It's set in a future with abundant nanotechnology and with demographic groups arranged in tribes or "phyles". One of the dominant (technologically, culturally) phyles is New Atlantis which follows a Victorian cultural sensibility. They are disciplined, self-controlled moralists and they are able to use these character traits to maintain a top position in global society.

The book is a combination of Charles Dickens and Cyberpunk. Somewhat Steampunk, but not quite.

79 posted on 09/08/2007 5:15:19 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’ll be at the library today so I’ll see if I can check it out. Sounds interesting but I hope they at least get to dress down for the beach.


80 posted on 09/08/2007 5:22:18 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 79 days away from outliving Freddie Mercury)
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