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To: Coyoteman
We don't want a theocracy but this is what you better do [for starters; we'll have a much longer list when we get these]:


3 posted on 09/06/2007 6:58:53 PM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater
Just as one example of why I don't want to see a theocracy in the US:

What the theocrats advocate:

putting an end to the tyranny of Darwinian evolution teaching in public schools such that the flaws in evolutionary theory and creation science would at least get equal consideration

And about this, you say:

Science should be taught in government schools, free from ideologies.

That right there is evidence of why theocrats of all stripes should be kept out of positions of power. You have defined your religious belief in creationism as "science" and defined real science as an ideology. Those are both absolute untruths, but ones of which George Orwell would have been very proud.

As Heinlein wrote:

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.

Robert A. Heinlein, Postscript to Revolt in 2100, 1953

Paging Nehemiah Scudder. Pick up the white courtesy telephone please.
4 posted on 09/06/2007 7:28:32 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Sopater; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
" * A society that prohibits murder should prohibit abortion

OK.

" * A free society should allow students to pray in public schools.

A free society would not give one religion preference over any other. Either all prayer needs to be restricted or no prayer should be restricted. Your choice.

However, a theocracy would legislate a religious preference.

Which is the author advocating?

" * Since science cannot present objective evidence on when human life begins, see the first point above.

Is this a case of the 'continuum fallacy'? I thought AG and BB debunked that idea?

By that logic, shouldn't an ovum and a sperm be considered human life?

" * The health of any society is significantly reduced when homosexual activity increases. Historical evidence supports this.

Do you really think that homosexual marriages will significantly reduce the health of current society? How does the legal marriage of gays increase gay activity?

The author wants to impose his belief system's definition of marriage.

" * Restrictions to protect children are necessary for a healthy society.

Child porn is already illegal. Adult porn is restricted such that children have no access.

" * Same as above.

See above.

" * Same as above.

Absolutely!

" * Abstinence works 100% of the time. Nothing else comes close. What needs to be taught to children is both of those facts and what the consequences are for ignoring them.

Abstinence only works 100% if followed 100%. Abstinence programs have nowhere near 100% compliance and work more poorly than other programs.

The author's reason for including these programs is because of religious teachings.

" * Science should be taught in government schools, free from ideologies.

Indeed, but it should also not be taught free of research and logic. Creation science fails in that regard.

BTW, I have yet to see any Creation Science free from ideology.

" * Hey, the constitution works. ;-)

That wasn't the point. The author is playing the martyr and wants Christian preferential treatment. Theocracies are based on preferential treatment for a specific religion.

I can see that you are spinning this with all your might but you fail to be convincing in your attempt to show these are not religiously motivated points.

6 posted on 09/06/2007 8:01:34 PM PDT by b_sharp ("Science without intelligence is lame, religion without personal integrity is reprehensible"-Sealion)
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