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To: Sopater
Just as one example of why I don't want to see a theocracy in the US:

What the theocrats advocate:

putting an end to the tyranny of Darwinian evolution teaching in public schools such that the flaws in evolutionary theory and creation science would at least get equal consideration

And about this, you say:

Science should be taught in government schools, free from ideologies.

That right there is evidence of why theocrats of all stripes should be kept out of positions of power. You have defined your religious belief in creationism as "science" and defined real science as an ideology. Those are both absolute untruths, but ones of which George Orwell would have been very proud.

As Heinlein wrote:

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.

Robert A. Heinlein, Postscript to Revolt in 2100, 1953

Paging Nehemiah Scudder. Pick up the white courtesy telephone please.
4 posted on 09/06/2007 7:28:32 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
That includes atheism/ humanism/secularism/ whatever you want to call it.

The very things you condemn about *religion* IOW the ones that worship a god, are the very things that can be applied to atheism, the religion that denies a deity.

As Heinlein wrote:

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.

Robert A. Heinlein, Postscript to Revolt in 2100, 1953

After all, that kind of behavior is well represented by the most bloody atheistic regimes of the twentieth century.

You can't escape that by avoiding religion, which goes to show the problem isn't the religion, any religion, but human nature. Man will do this regardless of the religion and just use the religion as an excuse.

It looks like there's as much to fear from those who lack a religion as those who use it as a cloak.

Your fears of what would happen to this country if it returned to it's religious roots is closer to paranoia than reason. As this country has rejected God, society and civilization have deteriorated. The only reason it is tolerable yet, it that we are still living with the protection the Judeo-Christian ethic provides in morals. Another generation or so of this kind of deterioration, and even you *scientists* won't be safe. The Khmer Rogue spared no one for any reason.

12 posted on 09/07/2007 5:14:36 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman
You have defined your religious belief in creationism as "science" and defined real science as an ideology.

I have? I believe that you have me mistaken with somebody else. I not defined my religious belief in creationism as science, any more than I would define a religious belief in evolutionism, naturalism, or materialism as science. Your statement above betrays your belief that natrualism is "real science".
15 posted on 09/07/2007 6:37:49 AM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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