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GPLv3 to drive users from Linux to FreeBSD?
builderau.com.au ^ | 2007-09-03 | Chris Duckett

Posted on 09/04/2007 10:47:50 AM PDT by N3WBI3

GPLv3 will help FreeBSD take some users away from Linux, according to the founder and vice president of The FreeBSD Foundation.

Writing in the FreeBSD Foundation's August newsletter, Justin T. Gibbs said "GPLv3 is a critical concern for many current commercial users of open source software.

"Against the backdrop of GPLv3, the stark difference between the BSD licensing philosophy and that of the Free Software Foundation are only too clear," he said.

One difference Gibbs saw was future-proofing the licences.

"A GPL proponent might argue that a licence for free software must be upgraded periodically since we cannot anticipate what new use models for free software might be developed that restrict freedom. The BSD licence is as permissive as possible exactly because we cannot predict the future or to what beneficial purpose (commercial or otherwise) our software will be used," said Gibbs.

Citing high support costs and an inability to guarantee adherence to specification for licensing, Gibbs said "now was perfect time to clarify the differences [between GPLv3 and BSD licenses] and start to engage with large current and potential users of open source software to understand their use models and how the GPLv3 might impact them".

Gibbs said the FreeBSD Foundation will provide an effective response to GPLv3 and he implored the community to make the most of the opportunity it provided.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: bsd; gpl3; opensource
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I think there is an outside chance of this happening, it really depend on how we see Linux play out. If it manages to stay GPLv2 no biggie but if I were an embedded device designer the gpl3 would give me *real* pause before using it.
1 posted on 09/04/2007 10:47:53 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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OSS Ping


2 posted on 09/04/2007 10:48:14 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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I think there is an outside chance of this happening, it really depend on how we see Linux play out. If it manages to stay GPLv2 no biggie but if I were an embedded device designer the gpl3 would give me *real* pause before using it.

That's my attitude, with a limited understanding of GPLv3.

The BSDs look pretty attractive by comparison.

3 posted on 09/04/2007 10:50:17 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: N3WBI3

Yeah, I’m looking at FBSD myself...


4 posted on 09/04/2007 10:58:07 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: N3WBI3

Isn’t this a straw man argument? Last I read, Linux wasn’t going from 2 to 3.


5 posted on 09/04/2007 11:03:11 AM PDT by PAR35
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A lot of people like the give-back clause of most open source licenses since that’s their payment for writing the code. BSD doesn’t have that, and is damn near putting your code in the public domain.

How about an OS on the Mozilla license — it has the give-back clause, no DRM clause, and clearly delineates what is and isn’t considered derivative. Solaris’ CDDL is close to that, but I’m not a Sun or Solaris fan.


6 posted on 09/04/2007 11:08:40 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3
Horsepucky.

From a user perspective there is zero difference between the BSDs and Linux. You can use both of them however you want.

From a developer perspective he might have some point, but the developer camps are pretty much established between the BSD folks and the GPL folks at this point.

As a disclaimer, I use both. I prefer BSD, specifically FreeBSD, on servers and OpenBSD, specifically on security devices, over Linux. I use Linux for desktop and specialty systems.

7 posted on 09/04/2007 11:09:17 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: PAR35

As it stands yes, I thought it was an interesting read and as both licenses are OSS I posted it.


8 posted on 09/04/2007 11:09:32 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: N3WBI3

I think the FUD meters are running higher.


9 posted on 09/04/2007 11:36:11 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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I wonder how Apple factors into this since they probably represent the majority of BSD installations by now.


10 posted on 09/04/2007 12:15:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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I wonder how Apple factors into this since they probably represent the majority of BSD installations by now.

Since Apple uses BSD licensed code for their userspace and doesn't (to my knowledge) use any GPL code, I suspect that it doesn't affect them at all.

11 posted on 09/04/2007 12:24:07 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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Since Apple uses BSD licensed code for their userspace and doesn't (to my knowledge) use any GPL code, I suspect that it doesn't affect them at all.

Apple uses a lot of GPL in OS X, even more in OS X Server, but I believe it's all programs and services running on top of the BSD. I don't think any of it is engineered so that it would kick in the DRM provision. But my point was that if this does move people to BSD, how does it affect Apple, and how does Apple affect the decision?

12 posted on 09/04/2007 12:37:05 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Apple uses a lot of GPL in OS X

Bogus, typical Stallman glorification.

13 posted on 09/04/2007 1:36:23 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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But my point was that if this does move people to BSD, how does it affect Apple, and how does Apple affect the decision?

Well, those people that license their code under the BSD license will likely continue to use the BSD license and those people that license their code under the GPL will have two choices: to use the GPLv2 or to use the GPLv3.

The entire 2 vs. 3 hysteria is a tempest in a teapot.

Where will it make a difference? Here's an example:

Company DRM makes widgets. They need some software to make their widgets work. They use GPLv2 code in their code. The code is then digitally signed such that only their version will work on the widget.

Under GPLv3 this is prohibited. DRM, Inc. has two options. Don't lock their widgets or use someone else's work to base theirs on.

Since Apple doesn't lock their hardware it won't affect them at all.

14 posted on 09/04/2007 1:50:11 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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Bogus, typical Stallman glorification.

You think even a troll would get things right once in a while...

Apple uses the GPL'd GCC compliler.

15 posted on 09/04/2007 1:55:36 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

1 component, non essential too I think.


16 posted on 09/04/2007 2:14:29 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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1 component, non essential too I think.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The complier is non-essential. What, pray tell, do you expect the Apple developers to compile their source code with?

17 posted on 09/04/2007 2:17:01 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

Other compilers. Unlike Linux, other operating systems aren’t all dependent on gcc.


18 posted on 09/04/2007 2:36:25 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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1 component, non essential too I think.

Name it. You can't. You don't know.

Don't pretend you do. We will know.
19 posted on 09/04/2007 3:05:27 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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What are you mumbling? You mean something like this?

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http://www.macnn.com/articles/04/04/13/ibm.xl.c.c.compiler/


20 posted on 09/04/2007 3:44:05 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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