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MS admits Vista challenges
IT Web ^ | 24 August 2007 | SAMANTHA PERRY

Posted on 08/24/2007 3:41:50 PM PDT by Salo

MS admits Vista challenges BY SAMANTHA PERRY , ITWEB FEATURES EDITOR

[ Johannesburg, 24 August 2007 ] - Microsoft SA has conceded there have been difficulties for resellers and end-users around the launch of its Vista operating system. It states there have been problems with its communications to its channel.

Microsoft Windows business group lead Colin Erasmus says these communications were not properly planned. It has three campaigns in the pipeline for this year to rectify the situation, he notes.

Local distributors, OEMs and resellers have been battling with bulk image blasting, the time and expense of downgrading unhappy customers back to Windows XP, and second-line support.

Says Tarsus CEO Pierre Spies: “Vista doesn't support bulk image blasting; it's just not here yet. We believe the product was launched too soon. [Microsoft has] a lot of catching up to do. Corporates are buying new machines with Vista on and downgrading to XP, in anticipation of Vista being ready in the next two to three years. They are buying the licence, but do not plan to use it until the product is ready.”

Spies says the situation is interfering with the company's business model. “We're taking serious flak. We've got people arriving in droves to downgrade.”

He says the company is downgrading roughly 25% of the Vista machines it sells. ”Consumers are not taking a long-term view like the corporates are, they just want it gone.”

Support overload

This, he says, impacts support because the company has to handle calls from customers, as well as the clients that arrive at its offices wanting downgrades. Further, he says, this impacts corporate roll-outs, which are far more time- and resource-consuming without bulk image blasting capabilities.

The cost to downgrade, for which Tarsus charges customers R100, is around R400, says Spies. “In the last two months we have downgraded 4 000 units, and that excludes the big roll-outs.”

Microsoft's Erasmus says OEMs can click here for information on ImageX, a command-line tool that enables OEMs and corporations to capture, modify and apply file-based disk images for rapid deployment. Systems builders using the OTK kit can click here.

As far as downgrades are concerned, Erasmus says: “Downgrade rights exist for OEM Vista Business & Ultimate editions to Windows XP Professional. The customer/system builder can contact the downgrade call centre on 0800 995 637, choose option four, and tell the operator they want to exercise their downgrade rights to obtain their product key for XP Professional.”

Acer SA country manager David Drummond says his company's main concern is that there was some delay in the market, while customers waited for Vista's launch. “We haven't seen compensation for that slowdown in terms of demand.”

Discontinuation of XP

Acer SA took an average of 30 Vista-related calls a day through March and April, regarding patches, drivers, and information on how to downgrade. This has now fallen to around five a day, Drummond says.

Vista machines have been in store since end-January, he notes, but Microsoft's channel launch only took place on 8 May, “and we are still in some discussions as to how to transfer customer calls that need to be escalated. Currently, we call Microsoft and then call the customer back.”

Drummond adds Acer is still getting calls from customers who purchased XP machines with Microsoft's Technology Guarantee, which entitles the customer to a free upgrade to Vista. “The complaints are around the fulfilment centre not responding, or unilaterally cancelling some customer orders. We've had multiple complaints about the centre,” he says, noting that most customer calls, however, were for downgrades not upgrades. “The legalities around that took months.”

“Microsoft is aware of the delay in some CD shipments and is currently diligently working on resolving these delays. We can confirm that if customers did submit the correct documentation timeously, that their CDs will be shipped to them,” says Erasmus.

Also of concern, says Spies, is the scheduled discontinuation of XP.

“At this stage,” says Erasmus, “availability of XP to OEMs will be discontinued at the end of January 2008 and for system builders at the end of January 2009. The decision to extend availability will be a global decision and will be based on feedback from the channel.”

Erasmus says partners or customers needing assistance can contact Microsoft on 0860 22 55 67.


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To: Salo

Now I don’t feel like such a chump with my 2.5ghz XP machine. Though I sure am tempted to go dual core. Does XP show benefits from dual core?


41 posted on 08/24/2007 4:40:43 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Salo

This thread needs that Simpsons character pointing and saying, “Ha ha!”


42 posted on 08/24/2007 4:41:11 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Southack
Vista’s an MS Windows ME-level trainwreck.

actually, that is an insult to Windows ME, which worked reasonably well on my kids computer for years... only had to reinstall it about five or six times!!!

43 posted on 08/24/2007 4:42:11 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Salo
Even though the Realtek NIC I had was Vista supported, I could not download files properly on the machine I built. It was slow and would just quit before even finishing a 3 MB file. I could browse online and do email, but even updates wouldn't download.

I had attached a USB wireless adapter and was using that and a few weeks ago in my updates I saw a Realtek NIC update.

Installed that and it works fine now. It obviously wasn't a bad NIC.

44 posted on 08/24/2007 4:43:15 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: dennisw

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t545980.html


45 posted on 08/24/2007 4:44:17 PM PDT by Salo
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To: cynwoody
Just bought a brand new IMAC. Worked 3 minutes out of the box and it is light years ahead of Windows. Vista will be the biggest boon ever for Mac’s. Just go into an Apple Store to use one, in 2 minutes you will NEED to own one.

I finally cut my cord with the evil empire of Microsoft.

Safari has not crashed once in 8 days of using it. My IE at work crashes an average of once every 15 minutes !

46 posted on 08/24/2007 4:44:29 PM PDT by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: Billthedrill

Post the model you got. 95% I would say you install XP with no problems. Just wipe the hard drive clean and install though you’ll have to install drivers after that. Only problem is what happens to Vista if/when you want it back. Do you have a set of full reinstallation disks for it?


47 posted on 08/24/2007 4:46:37 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: cynwoody
Yeah - I have an iMac running OS X that I also use. It's sweet. I can't wait for Leopard.

OS X is good technology. It's going to be on my next computer. I'm not upgrading to Vista.

48 posted on 08/24/2007 4:47:17 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo

THanks!!! Am reading it now.


49 posted on 08/24/2007 4:47:40 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Salo
Try it, and if it doesn't work, go back to Vista. Just make sure you have restore disks first.

This machine (as is the practice today) did not come with an OS disc, so are you suggesting that I make a restore disc (instructions how to do so came with the machine)? Or order the $40 Vista OS disc from HP? And when I install XP on the machine, I will have to completely reformat, right? Thanx in advance for the advice ...

50 posted on 08/24/2007 4:47:54 PM PDT by Babu (Conservatives should remember, raising taxes reduces, not increases, net income to the Trreasury)
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To: cynwoody

There’s actually a MS TCP/IP stack you could download for WFW.
The company I worked at when WFW was current used FTP’s stack and it was expensive.


51 posted on 08/24/2007 4:50:16 PM PDT by Lx ((Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.))
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To: Babu
I would make the restore disks, then actually restore them to make sure they work, then try the XP out. If the XP doesn't work, you can go back to a working Vista from your restore disks.

This machine (as is the practice today) did not come with an OS disc, so are you suggesting that I make a restore disc (instructions how to do so came with the machine)?

52 posted on 08/24/2007 4:52:49 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo
Says Tarsus CEO Pierre Spies: “Vista doesn't support bulk image blasting; it's just not here yet."

You have got to be kidding me. How does Microsoft expect to deploy to their biggest customer base without bulk image blasting? Don't they know that corporate customers don't have techs sit at each laptop with an install DVD?
53 posted on 08/24/2007 4:53:16 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: dan1123
Evidently not. :-)

Don't they know that corporate customers don't have techs sit at each laptop with an install DVD?

54 posted on 08/24/2007 4:55:40 PM PDT by Salo
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To: dennisw
Post the model you got. 95% I would say you install XP with no problems. Just wipe the hard drive clean and install though you’ll have to install drivers after that. Only problem is what happens to Vista if/when you want it back. Do you have a set of full reinstallation disks for it?

I have a Compaq Presario C500 notebook that came with Vista Home Premium. It did not come with any reinstallation discs, driver discs, or the Vista OS disc (can order the Vista disc from Compaq for I think $40). I think it does tell in the instructions how to create a "restore disc". Do you think I can reformat this machine and put XP on it successfully? Where would I get the drivers for XP for this machine? I only have an old copy of XP from a machine that died. Thanks in advance for any assistance!

55 posted on 08/24/2007 4:57:07 PM PDT by Babu (Conservatives should remember, raising taxes reduces, not increases, net income to the Trreasury)
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To: Salo

I’m ticked off. I rushed out and bought an XP box right before Vista came out. If I had known I could have waited another year or two and gotten a better machine for the same money, I would have.

Vista should be OK by about service pak 2.


56 posted on 08/24/2007 4:58:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: dennisw
Its unbelievable. I just put together an AMD 64x2 6000+ with 4GB DDR2800 Memory for my boss. At first I was concerned that Windows XP-Pro didn't really boot any faster than the Pentium-D ghz. But once you log on, all the system tray icons (next to the clock) load all at once. They almost blink. After you log on, 5 secs later you are ready to go.

Plus....I can run a virus scan. Have 2 or 3 IE windows open, plus the office software all going at once. And it is still faster doing all that then the Pentium-D running at the same frequency.
57 posted on 08/24/2007 4:58:57 PM PDT by TxCopper
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To: Salo
“At this stage,” says Erasmus, “availability of XP to OEMs will be discontinued at the end of January 2008

I guess I know the deadline for buying my next PC, unless I just chuck MS altogether and go w/ Linux.

58 posted on 08/24/2007 4:59:11 PM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not mutually exclusive.)
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To: Billie

Vista ping!


59 posted on 08/24/2007 4:59:32 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: The KG9 Kid
Running Vista x32 now. No problems here whatsoever.

This is about corporate customers who have IT support hundreds to thousands of installs. You probably have at least 2 GB of RAM. What video card did you put in your system?
60 posted on 08/24/2007 4:59:34 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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