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Putting Tiger's 13th major in perspective (Vanity)

Posted on 08/13/2007 7:16:07 AM PDT by PurpleMan

Tiger won his 13th major. All of these notable active players only have 13 victories (or less). Amazing

Mark Calcavecchia - 13 David Duval - 13 Jim Furyk - 13 Paul Azinger - 12 David Toms - 12 John Cook - 11 Scott Hoch - 11 Steve Elkington - 10 David Frost - 10 Justin Leonard - 10 Jay Haas - 9 Kenny Perry - 9

A list of everyone is here (from the Golf Channel) http://146.145.120.3/default.asp?c=thegolfchannel&page=golf-m/stat/alltime-pga-winners.htm


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KEYWORDS: generalchat; golf; tigerwoods; tryingtocare; zippointerest
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To: Mr. Mojo
Best just to give a non-answer -- "I'll do my best."

The problem isn't what they say it's what they think and most of the top 100 are beaten before they even tee off. If they don't think they can beat Tiger they should be playing in my Thursday Night Hackfest. OTH, there are a lot of millionaire golfers who are content to be millionaires rather than golfers. An interesting dilemma. ;-}

21 posted on 08/13/2007 7:50:47 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Mr. Mojo

Sabbatini is a good guy. He is a major supporter where I donate to the troops.


22 posted on 08/13/2007 7:52:08 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: PurpleMan

Tiger is getting a real clear idea of how he has been doing in his game. He has talked golf with top players of the past and is very able to put his career into perspective.


23 posted on 08/13/2007 7:53:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: jwalsh07
If they don't think they can beat Tiger they should be playing in my Thursday Night Hackfest.

Agreed. And thanks for the info about Sabbatini.

24 posted on 08/13/2007 7:54:28 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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To: Bruinator

“The dude hit an 8 iron 208 yards yesterday. Nickaus et.al. would never even pull that club out of the bag from that distance.”

It’s not all about distance. Golf is a mind game. No doubt Tiger has an advantage with his length. In fact, I did say I think Tiger is the best ever. And I think Tiger is mentally as tough as anyone who ever played. But, I think those older guys could have run with him. So, Nicklaus hits a 5 iron from 208 instead of an 8? It’s where the ball ends up that matters, it’s not how, it’s how many. Not to mention with today’s tech, especially the new ball construction, maybe Nicklaus hits a 7?
I get beaten by guys playing “old man” golf. 400 yard par four: 200 yard drive down the middle. 180 yard fairway wood, chip, putt, par. Like freakin’ clockwork. A shorter hitting pro can run with Tiger, as long as they are steady.

The point, and one I think is valid, is that the group of pros at the top were tougher, back then.
Tiger needs his Arnold Palmer. Tiger needs a Joe Frazier. A consistent, real threat. Those other golfers who made a run yesterday, weren’t playing with Tiger. Also, it’s not the same guys. No one consistently challenges Tiger.


25 posted on 08/13/2007 8:00:37 AM PDT by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: jwalsh07

“Nope. Woody didn’t wilt, neither did Els.”

They both played well, Els had a great round. But, pair them with Tiger and see what happens.


26 posted on 08/13/2007 8:01:40 AM PDT by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: brownsfan

My only point on the distance is this. When he is in trouble, his strength can make a stroke to 2 stroke difference on most par 4’s and 5’s. I don’t doubt that the legends could and would play with him on any given course. Because he doesn’t have a consistent challenger is not in contention. Its not his fault. He is an extremely tough competetor, and for a while it was Els, then Lefty, then Singh. Non of those could maintain their challenge.


27 posted on 08/13/2007 8:18:15 AM PDT by Bruinator
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To: brownsfan

I don’t think it would affect Woody a wit, he’s enough of a free spirit to handle it. Beating Tiger is one horse, wilting is a horse of a different color. There are a legion of wilters who can beat Tiger on a given day and few clankers who can’t beat Tiger on any given day. Woody and clanks and on the right day he could beat Tiger. A unique species in golf I think.


28 posted on 08/13/2007 8:20:57 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: PurpleMan
Tiger is, quite simply, head-and-shoulders above his current competition. When he is on, as he was Friday in shooting 63, and as he was last week at Firestone, no one can beat him. The PGA Championship was effectively over on Friday afternoon. At the age of thirty-one, he has 13 majors and none of the current players on tour have more than three (Vijay, Els, and Mickelson). He also has over fifty victories total, far eclipsing anyone else on tour.
29 posted on 08/13/2007 8:45:58 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: meandog
Of the majors the U.S. is probably the most coveted but the Masters stands out as the real crown jewel of golf and, by the time he’s finished, Tiger will have more Green Jackets in his closet than Jack, Arnie and Gary combined!

I have learned not to doubt any golf achievement when it comes to Tiger, but that would mean fourteen Master's titles, and I don't think even Tiger can do that! He will probably eclipse Jack's six however.

30 posted on 08/13/2007 8:48:10 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
He needs to be compared to Nicklaus, if anyone. ....and the comparisons are eerily similar, with Tiger holding a slight lead as far as number of majors won in the same number of majors played.

Then again, Tiger didn't have to play against Palmer, Trevino, Watson, Player, Watson, and Miller on a regular basis. Those legends are far superior to Singh, Mickelson, Els, Furyk, and Duval. .....by a wide margin.

Tiger also benefits from much better equipment - both clubs and balls - than existed in Jack's era. In some ways the tour competition is a lot deeper now than it was twenty to thirty years ago, but it's also not as deep too. A lot more talented journeymen? I mean, look at some recent major winners: Todd Hamilton and Ben Curtis and Rich Beem and Shaun Micheel? Not taking anything away from them, they won fair and square, but they haven't done much else either.

Then there are also the guys reaching the end of their primes, like Davis Love III and Fred Couples, with one major each. They made a lot of money and won a lot of tournaments, but I think in the big picture you'd have to consider it a disappointment that they won only one major each.

31 posted on 08/13/2007 8:53:46 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: brownsfan

The old days are gone.... Nicklaus used to travel with his whole family, which grew to five children over the years. He held the celebratory dinner after winning the 1980 US Open at a McDonald’s cause that’s where his kids wanted to go! When Mark O’Meara first came out on tour, he and his new wife drove from event to event in a VW Rabbit, with all their possesions. Tiger got big bucks from Nike right off the bat and never had to experience that part of the pro golf life.


32 posted on 08/13/2007 8:57:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: brownsfan
Tiger needs his Arnold Palmer. Tiger needs a Joe Frazier. A consistent, real threat. Those other golfers who made a run yesterday, weren’t playing with Tiger. Also, it’s not the same guys. No one consistently challenges Tiger.

As a local writer here put it about the PGA going into the final round, all those other guys on the leader board with Tiger, other than Els, had as many major wins as John Q shank at your local muni!

33 posted on 08/13/2007 9:03:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Bruinator
The dude hit an 8 iron 208 yards yesterday.

Amazing.

34 posted on 08/13/2007 9:04:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: brownsfan
Tiger needs his Arnold Palmer. Tiger needs a Joe Frazier. A consistent, real threat. Those other golfers who made a run yesterday, weren’t playing with Tiger. Also, it’s not the same guys. No one consistently challenges Tiger.

As a local writer here put it about the PGA going into the final round, all those other guys on the leader board with Tiger, other than Els, had as many major wins as John Q Shank at your local muni!

35 posted on 08/13/2007 9:05:54 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: brownsfan
I agree with your “Drive for show ~ Put for dough” philosophy.

One name to prove your assertions....... John Daly.

(although his short game did get better when he eased off the booze)

36 posted on 08/13/2007 9:11:50 AM PDT by shbox
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To: Rummyfan
Tiger got big bucks from Nike right off the bat and never had to experience that part of the pro golf life.

Well, yeah ... but you had to expect that. Even as a kid he was clearly destined for golfing greatness, and he certainly has lived up to the early promise.

37 posted on 08/13/2007 9:13:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Many can’t-miss phenoms come to the Tour and don’t do anything. Where is Ty Tryon right now? Michele Wie is struggling with her game. Tiger is that rare player who came to the pro level, won almost immediately, and has never looked back.


38 posted on 08/13/2007 9:59:25 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Bruinator

Tiger doesn’t play against other golfers, he plays against history.


39 posted on 08/13/2007 10:03:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Rummyfan
Many can’t-miss phenoms come to the Tour and don’t do anything.

Yeah, but the difference was that Woods was playing an adult game with the Big Boys even as an amateur. Nike took a small gamble that he'd do well -- but his previous history was such that it was only a small gamble.

Plus which, besides being young, talented, and attractive, Woods has a certain (ahem) "demographic appeal" which Nike rightly figured would be a short-term goldmine regardless of how he did on the tour.

40 posted on 08/13/2007 10:04:04 AM PDT by r9etb
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