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Linguists seek a time when we spoke as one
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | 18 July 2007 | Moises Velasquez-Manoff

Posted on 07/23/2007 7:02:45 AM PDT by BGHater

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21 posted on 07/23/2007 8:24:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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thanks to Cronos and Carrot-and-Stick for these cool graphics:

Indo-European Branch of the World Language Family Tree
Proto-Indo-European
Language Tree
Proto-Semitic

22 posted on 07/23/2007 8:24:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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New Family Tree Is Constructed For Indo-European
by George Johnson
The New York Times
January 2, 1996
Using a new computer program, or algorithm, the scientists at the University of Pennsylvania have sifted through the myriad possibilities and come up with what they believe is the general shape of the tree. According to their picture, the first to split off from Proto-Indo-European was Anatolian, an extinct group of languages, including ancient Hittite, which were once spoken in Turkey... Dr. Melchert cautioned that the data fed into such a model were always open to interpretation and dispute. He, for one, strongly disagrees that the scientists have verified that Anatolian was the first to split away from Proto-Indo-European. This theory, the Indo-Hittite hypothesis, has been debated for years... Dr. Ringe noted that before this study, he believed, contrary to his findings, that the Indo-Hittite hypothesis was wrong. "It might even be fair to say that I was biased against it," he said. "So you can imagine how startled I was when the algorithm kept turning up Anatolian as one first-order branch of the family, and everything else as the other first-order branch -- exactly what the hypothesis says." ...The first surprise was that in all four trees, the Anatolian language group immediately split away from Proto-Indo-European, just as the Indo-Hittite hypothesis has held.

23 posted on 07/23/2007 8:26:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BGHater

Bull. Tens of thousands of years ago, populations only a few dozen miles apart might have had so little contact with one another that a common language would not have developed.

These “scientists” make stuff up to obtain further “study” grants. Beats having to produce anything useful or meet a payroll, you know!


24 posted on 07/23/2007 8:29:58 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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Sanskrit echoes around the world
Christian Science Monitor | July 5, 2007 | Vijaysree Venkatraman
Posted on 07/06/2007 3:18:56 AM EDT by Lorianne
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25 posted on 07/23/2007 8:31:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jeddavis

There wouldn’t be any particular reason for all languages to go back to a common origin. Look at Arabic where they have 500 words for dust and 800 for sword. This is because each clan had its own word and the total national language is the collection made as the clans slowly merged. Perhaps they can identify a common origin after a cetain point when the clans had merged sufficiently but before that there could be thousands of independent origins.


26 posted on 07/23/2007 8:32:52 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: JimRed
“Beats having to produce anything useful”
Eggs Ackley! A waste of time, and resources that could be much better utilized on something useful. It’s interesting, but of no practical use. There better not be one cent of tax money being spent on this!
27 posted on 07/23/2007 8:34:05 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: BGHater

28 posted on 07/23/2007 8:36:14 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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Anthropology: No Last Word on Language Origins
by Constance Holden
Unfortunately, "speech does not fossilize," notes anthropologist John Shea of the State University of New York, Stony Brook. Writing appears 6000 years ago, and there is scant evidence for the existence of notation before 13,000 years ago. How long might language have been around before that? The only evidence is indirect, and it suggests two wildly different answers... "Everybody would accept that by 40,000 years ago, language is everywhere," says Stanford University archaeologist Richard Klein... "At one extreme there are people who think that all hominids are 'little people' and at the other that the really 'human' things about human behavior are really very late," says Alan Walker of Pennsylvania State University in University Park. Judging from anatomy alone, speech of some sort--although not like that of modern humans -- has probably been around for at least a million years, says Philip Lieberman of Brown University... Meanwhile, the other precondition of modern language, a big brain, was also emerging... By at least 200,000 years ago, says anatomist Jeffrey Laitman of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City, African hominids had cranial bases "identical to [those of] modern humans." ...Even though modern humans were equipped to talk up a storm, there are few definitive signs, for tens of thousands of years, of any of the behaviors anthropologists associate with language: complex tool technology and other signs of conceptualization and planning, trade, ritual, and art.
Y'know, other than 400,000 year old artifacts which are routinely dismissed on a priori grounds, i.e., the conclusions fit the original assumptions, just by coincidence. What good is language, anyway? :')
29 posted on 07/23/2007 8:39:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: HIDEK6

My high school historty professor pointed this out to us about 50 years ago.

s/b

My high school historty professor is pointing this out to us 50 years ago.

;’)


30 posted on 07/23/2007 8:40:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
It’s interesting, but of no practical use.

There is a serious lack of an exhaustive etymological dictionary. Lacking that, meaningful communication is impossible.

31 posted on 07/23/2007 8:42:18 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: SunkenCiv
The way they would say it is, "My high school history professor points this out to us (50 years ago)."
32 posted on 07/23/2007 8:46:31 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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The Origin of Language: Tracing the Evolution of the Mother Tongue A Guide to the World's Languages: Volume I, Classification On the Origin of Languages: Studies in Linguistic Taxonomy
The Origin of Language:
Tracing the Evolution
of the Mother Tongue

by Merritt Ruhlen
A Guide to the
World's Languages:
Volume I,
Classification

by Merritt Ruhlen
On the
Origin of Languages:
Studies in
Linguistic Taxonomy

by Merritt Ruhlen


33 posted on 07/23/2007 8:52:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: HIDEK6

:’)


34 posted on 07/23/2007 8:54:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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35 posted on 07/23/2007 8:55:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

a socialist’s dream—

one world,

one lingo.

si.


36 posted on 07/23/2007 9:02:30 AM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks,SC. I’m always looking for new and interesting library fare.
37 posted on 07/23/2007 9:07:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

I’ve got the leftmost, had it for, hmm, eight years, haven’t finished it yet... [blush]


38 posted on 07/23/2007 9:09:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Larry Lucido
"Nope, we never all spoke alike. Ever."

Does this fig leaf make me look fat?
Well... THWAK!!!!
39 posted on 07/23/2007 9:10:11 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student

LOL!

“I’ll be ready in 5 minutes, Adam.”

Adam, under his breath: “Guess I have time to hunt another brontosaurus, then.”


40 posted on 07/23/2007 9:15:40 AM PDT by Larry Lucido ( Hunter 2008)
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