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Reed boat heads for Spain from NYC
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/11/07 | Richard Pyle - ap

Posted on 07/11/2007 7:23:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK - A 41-foot raft made of reeds and wooden planks set out Wednesday on voyage from New York to Spain, a daring and perhaps foolhardy attempt to prove people in the Stone Age could have crossed the Atlantic.

The fragile-looking craft was towed down the harbor past the Statue of Liberty, to be cut loose once it passed into the open sea. At the helm was Dominique Gorlitz, 41, a German botanist and ex-teacher who has spent years preparing for the expedition.

"We are trying to retrace the ancient waterways to prove that prehistoric people crossed the ocean both ways," Gorlitz said as the Abora III, named for a Canary Island sun god, cast off.

He estimated the voyage would take five weeks to Pontevedra, Spain, where success would prove that mariners predating Columbus by 12,000 years could have navigated the ocean by sailing against — as well as with — prevailing winds. The Abora III will use leeboards to steer like a modern sailboat. A stop was planned at the Azores.

Gorlitz's crew of 10 men and two women have enough food for 100 days, fresh water and a few modern amenities — satellite phones, navigational gear and generator-powered laptops.

The group seemed unfazed at crossing the Atlantic during hurricane season in a tiny craft with two wooden huts and a toilet shack on deck. "If I was not confident that we could do this, I would not do it," Gorlitz said.

Gorlitz's theory is based on traces of tobacco and coca — substances native to the New World — having been found in an Egyptian pharaoh's tomb, as well as cave drawings in Spain he says suggest that people 14,000 years ago understood ocean currents.

Kenneth L. Feder, an anthropology professor at Central Connecticut State University in New Britain, Conn., said Abora III's trip cannot prove any of that.

"I wish them well, but for a proper replicative experiment in archaeology, the culture has to be consistent," he said in a telephone interview. "How can they replicate the past accurately by using evidence from thousands of years ago in Egypt and a boat similar to those built 800 years ago in South America? These are completely different periods."

He said there were other possible ways for nicotine and coca to have turned up — possibly from now-unknown plants in Africa, or even from "mummy unwrapping parties" in 19th century England.

"This trip proves that if you are brave and foolhardy you can sail a primitive boat across the Atlantic, but that's all it proves," Feder said.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Travel
KEYWORDS: abora; godsgravesglyphs; reedboat

With the skyline of Manhattan behind it, the reed boat, Abora III, sails in the Hudson River after casting off from a dock in New York bound for Spain, Wednesday, July 11, 2007. Dominique Gorlitz, a former teacher from Chemnitz, Germany, says the voyage his boat is taking would replicate ocean voyages that he believes were taking place 12,000 years before Christopher Columbus. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)


1 posted on 07/11/2007 7:23:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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http://www.abora3.com


2 posted on 07/11/2007 7:24:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Reed boat heads for Spain from NYC

"Any a ya guys up for a little cruise?"













Sorry - that was just awful!

3 posted on 07/11/2007 7:28:19 PM PDT by jdm
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To: NormsRevenge
They’re insane. They should at least have a real ship follow them in case of an emergency.

The girl is brave to cross the ocean on such a small boat with 9 men. It’s only about 30’ long. That’s not very big for 10 people. I wonder how many weeks it’ll take before they go nuts and start seeing her as a pork chop.

4 posted on 07/11/2007 7:49:03 PM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: NormsRevenge
Odd...checked out the Website, and according to the clock there, it hasn't even started yet!
5 posted on 07/11/2007 7:57:08 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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To: NormsRevenge
The fragile-looking craft was towed down the harbor past the Statue of Liberty, to be cut loose once it passed into the open sea.

Do they think ancient man would have had a TOW!!!?? Experiment over.

6 posted on 07/11/2007 8:48:11 PM PDT by DancesWithCats
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7 posted on 07/11/2007 9:49:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 10, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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That’s amusing, but it’s not pertinent. After crosses the Atlantic, having to be towed (probably due to port rules), obviously it wouldn’t have had any problem with those few miles.


8 posted on 07/11/2007 10:02:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 10, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
That’s amusing, but it’s not pertinent. After crosses the Atlantic, having to be towed (probably due to port rules), obviously it wouldn’t have had any problem with those few miles.

Ah! Port rules. I'm sure you're right. Hadn't thought of that. Pardon my blunder. Experiment back on!!

9 posted on 07/11/2007 10:11:20 PM PDT by DancesWithCats
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Not a problem, they’re probably especially strict in NY, what with those bodies floating face down, hands tied, drifting out to sea...


10 posted on 07/11/2007 11:00:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 10, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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what with those bodies floating face down, hands tied, drifting out to sea...

suicides?

11 posted on 07/11/2007 11:58:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Because of the prevailing winds and currents, this W-to-E trip is a “tougher sail” than E-to-W.


12 posted on 07/12/2007 4:35:44 AM PDT by Does so
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Not a problem, they’re probably especially strict in NY, what with those bodies floating face down, hands tied, drifting out to sea...

What bodies are those then? with hands tied?

13 posted on 07/12/2007 8:13:50 AM PDT by DancesWithCats
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It’s an old mafia hit reference.


14 posted on 07/12/2007 9:27:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 12, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
It’s an old mafia hit reference.

Ah! I thought that's hwat you might have been intimating but 'cement shoes' is what I always thought of with Mafia hits so there's no 'floating' or 'drifting' going on ... sleeping with the fishes is what's going on! LOL

15 posted on 07/12/2007 11:17:50 AM PDT by DancesWithCats
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Ironically, even after they’re halfway across, they’ll probably keep bumping into ‘em...


16 posted on 07/13/2007 9:06:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 12, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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17 posted on 05/22/2012 9:01:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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