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Windows Vista Features and Services Harvest User Data for Microsoft - From your machine!
Softpedia ^ | 07/02/07 | Marius Oiaga

Posted on 07/02/2007 7:38:03 AM PDT by Salo

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To: TChris
Pleased to meet myself, 192.168.0.100.

Linksys?

41 posted on 07/02/2007 8:39:06 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: TChris

What if Vista kicked off a trace and included it with all of the other junk it sends?


42 posted on 07/02/2007 8:39:29 AM PDT by Salo
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Why am I entitled to not be seen if it is their website?

With websites I agree with you. The article is about various features in Vista though. (I don't know if all the features are ones which by their nature would require net access or not.) I think including such surveilance in the operating system, the software without which your computer won't do anything, is a different case. Especially when the OS in question has such a market share that though document compatibility, app compatibility, etc, one may eventually have no practical choice whether or not to adopt the OS.

43 posted on 07/02/2007 8:40:00 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ShadowAce
I'm serious....I want a paper copy of something like "for Dummies" that will allow me learn from absolute scratch to use the ubuntu 6.10 that I have on a virgin hard-drive that I change the cable to when I wish to play with it. My sole experience is Win95/98/XP. Literally all I can do so far with the ubuntu is surf the internet. Online guides are inadequate and maddening for what I need.
44 posted on 07/02/2007 8:44:30 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-Linux-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/0470125055/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9311627-7177466?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183391208&sr=8-1


45 posted on 07/02/2007 8:47:01 AM PDT by Salo
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To: Still Thinking

So basically if I didn’t click “No” when I set up my Vista, then MSFT can pull any sort of data they want? Hmm, I’m fairly certain I would have clicked no. Wonder if there’s a way to change it if I didn’t click no.


46 posted on 07/02/2007 8:51:49 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (Got a knack for being wrong - Dinosaur Jr.)
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To: Salo

TIVO knows what I watch and how.
My car’s chips know how I drive.
Microsoft knows what’s on my computer and how I use it.
The grocery store ‘affiliate’ cards tracks what I eat and how much.
When they microchip my toilet, I’m outta here.


47 posted on 07/02/2007 8:52:34 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: Salo
Do you consider the contents of your personal computer private?

I consider my off-line stuff private.

No one should be able to search through your Word documents, personal picture files, music, other documents or financial data on your accounting software or something like that. Other than that I don't care.

48 posted on 07/02/2007 8:53:39 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Gorzaloon
Pleased to meet myself, 192.168.0.100.

Linksys?

Nope. I like Linksys products, but mine isn't.

The 192.168.x.x range is a Class B IP network that is defined to be for local networks, so it isn't routed onto the Internet directly. Every home router, AFAIK, uses that address range for automatically assigned IP addresses. It provides 64,516 usable IP addresses that can be assigned on a local network without worrying about registration.

Internet access has to be through a router which uses NAT (Network Address Translation) to provide the connection, even though the PC itself doesn't have a "legal" Internet IP. The router does.

49 posted on 07/02/2007 8:54:42 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Salo
But is this all? Not even by a long shot. Windows Genuine Advantage, Windows Defender, Support Services, Windows Media Center and Internet Explorer 7 all collect and transmit user data to Microsoft. Don't want them to? Then simply turn them off, or use alternative programs when possible or stop using some services altogether. Otherwise, when your consent is demanded, you can opt for NO.

Easier said than done.
Most users will be unable to know even where to start.

How many of these services can be permanently disabled without crippling the utility of that new computer? How would one go about doing so?

Will VISTA even allow you to use alternative means of watching videos, movies and other content deemed "protected"?

50 posted on 07/02/2007 8:59:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Salo

265 Vista
154 XP

Above is the laptop breakdown for operating systems at New Egg


51 posted on 07/02/2007 9:00:29 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Still Thinking
Okay. But as I look through that list of info they are getting, I just don't see the threat. Why should I care? What is the big deal? Seriously, how am I harmed or potentially harmed by this?

Don't get me wrong, I have no particular fondness or allegiance to Microsoft. I just think people can take their demands for privacy too far.

52 posted on 07/02/2007 9:05:40 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Incorrigible
Microsoft has in essence become the IT department for millions of home PC users.

That's a great comparison!
Unfortunately, most people's experience with IT departments is negative, and I know of NO ONE who ever "volunteered" to be controlled by one.

Among other things, IT departments decide:

Which sites you may visit and which not.
What utility programs you may install, if any.
IT becomes the "administrator" of your computer.

What hardware you may install and which not.
Which hardware you may replace, without facing the "you are not a legal user" nightmare...

If all this sounds inconsequential to you, knock yourself out!

53 posted on 07/02/2007 9:07:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
How many of these services can be permanently disabled without crippling the utility of that new computer? How would one go about doing so?

Most important to me.... WHY would you want to? Why would you buy a fancy vehicle and then dismantle half of it and try to drive it around like that? Use all the alternate browsers and media players you want. I do, alongside all the MS products. Meanwhile my computer software can write home often as it wants, and MS can keep all their products up to date, without me having to do a thing.

Just like my virus checker does, automatically.

Just like my Mozilla browser does... automatically.

It's just not scary at all... come out into the sun :~D

54 posted on 07/02/2007 9:08:47 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: DTA

I....think you missed the IP joke.


55 posted on 07/02/2007 9:12:21 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (The danger - the Tempest - forever is o'er.)
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To: gcruse

“When they microchip my toilet, I’m outta here.”

It’s coming to a toilet near you soon!

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6342037-claims.html";


56 posted on 07/02/2007 9:13:57 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Okay. But as I look through that list of info they are getting, I just don't see the threat.

I tend to agree, but I don't believe the list.

I just think people can take their demands for privacy too far.

I don't. Well, technically, I suppose they COULD, but I've never seen anyone do so yet. ;-)

57 posted on 07/02/2007 9:14:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Publius6961
Which sites you may visit and which not. What utility programs you may install, if any. IT becomes the "administrator" of your computer.

MS doesn't do those things. Nor does it tell you you cannot install particular hardware. That's just paranoid. As for replacement of hardware, well, I guess you're driving at an idea that at some point, you've replaced the computer and they want you to buy new software. I dunno... my computers have always outlasted the applications that came with them, I've updated twice on this machine.

58 posted on 07/02/2007 9:14:49 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; The Ghost of FReepers Past
Meanwhile my computer software can write home often as it wants,...

Here's my problem with it. While I agree that the data MS is currently collecting is not "dangerous" per se, while the data it collects may, in fact, help it write better software, while the purpose and reasoning behind it is benign--what or who will stop MS if they ever decide to start collecting data that is considered to actually be private? How will you stop them if they decide that they now have full access rights to your computer to decide if a document that you wrote is pirated, and shut down your computer? That a song you wrote and recorded is pirated? That you shouldn't be running any non-MS software?

While these situations are, currently, far-fetched, they are not out of the realm of possibility. Why start down that slippery slope now when we can avoid it altogether?

59 posted on 07/02/2007 9:15:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm especially irritated with MS at the moment.

I’ve lost pages of work on a patent application. The new improved MicroSuck Office 2007 not only sent them to never-never land, it won’t even admit that it ever worked on them. They are not to be found even in the recent documents list.

Oh, and MegaSuck Office Basic 2007 doesn't include PowerPoint. They did keep the malware LOOKOUT!, I mean, Outlook, though.

60 posted on 07/02/2007 9:15:52 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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