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Microsoft takes on the free world (Gates wants royalties on Linux)
Fortune Magazine ^ | May 13, 2007 | Roger Parloff

Posted on 05/13/2007 4:05:27 PM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Zakeet
Speaking from the heart of Microsoft country, I think they're becoming desperate. Vista isn't going to experience the success of its predecessors, Office 2007 is unsupportable bloatware that will be massively rejected. (Though the rest of their apps, I just don't know.)

I think they're overextended in their promises, and I wouldn't be too surprised to someday see a billboard requesting "Will the last person to leave Redmond please turn out the lights?"

(Not really -- if Microsoft implodes we'll see a ton of spinoffs.)

61 posted on 05/13/2007 5:48:18 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: goodnesswins

MSFT should be careful. IBM has a large pocket portfolio, very deep pockets, and lots to lose if MSFT is allowed to bully FOSS with silly patent litigation.


62 posted on 05/13/2007 5:50:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * WAHOO WA! * Allen for Senator from VA * Fred Thompson for President)
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To: SpaceBar

Microsoft is now just a legal firm and government lobbying group that happens to sell software and technical support on the side to supplement their corporate income.
***Good enough place to bump the thread for later reading.


63 posted on 05/13/2007 5:54:36 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: KoRn
Microsoft isn't exactly clean, either. They may have incorporated GPL (or other open source) code into their own code base; if this was found to be true during the discovery phase, I believe the GPL could be used to force Microsoft to open up its entire code base to the public, for free.

That would end Microsoft's business model. MSFT is playing with fire here.

64 posted on 05/13/2007 6:02:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * WAHOO WA! * Allen for Senator from VA * Fred Thompson for President)
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To: Zakeet
Some insight from a Microsoft veteran about what it was like working with (or surviving) Bill Gates:

Microsoft Memories

65 posted on 05/13/2007 6:03:08 PM PDT by Sender ("America is at that awkward stage..." - Claire Wolfe)
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To: Zakeet
Moglen contends that software is a mathematical algorithm and, as such, not patentable.

I have always thought so too. Am I missing something?

66 posted on 05/13/2007 6:04:32 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: All

And now a blast from the past,

Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeroes

67 posted on 05/13/2007 6:15:06 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Mannaggia l'America

because it was the algorthim that was patented, not the bits.
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IS this true? I can’t beleive they would issue a patent for an algorithm. That’s like copywrighting the table of contents of a book, but not the chapters or the text. It defies logic. Doesn’t it?


68 posted on 05/13/2007 6:19:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m sure I read somewhere recently that the home computer division of IBM is now chinese owned and that starting in november of this year, no new IBM home PC will be shipped with any microsoft products installed. I also read somewhere that the EU is at odds with MS and is fining them billions of dollars for anti-trust type stuff, I think. Also, I think I read that Linux is now mandriva and is mostly a french thing now and that germany has already banned MS from government buildings.

I think I read somewhere also that google is working on it’s own operating system.

I can’t remember where I read any of this. Can anyone verify any of this? It’s all from memory and kinda fuzzy.


69 posted on 05/13/2007 6:32:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: plsvn

IIRC, the Windows NT kernel beginning with Win2k can address up to 4 TB of memory.


70 posted on 05/13/2007 6:35:21 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: BJungNan
I work on Macs and when they crash you lose everything. The MAC crash is cute though. Instead of a blue screen it is a gray window shade type thing. Appropriate: the curtain going down on any work you did not save on your crashed Mac.

It's called a "kernel panic". On the Mac, it's usually a sign of defective RAM, probably an aftermarket third-party installation. Linux can also experience kernel panics. For Microsoft, the situation is called the Blue Screen of Death.

In general, Linux is least likely to experience these problems. It's slightly more common on Macs. Windows is most likely to have the problem occur.

In your case, the problem is probably due to old defective font files that were installed improperly.

71 posted on 05/13/2007 6:38:18 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
No, but it was probably Sanji who explained to me that I couldn’t really use the 4G.
72 posted on 05/13/2007 6:38:22 PM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: RightWhale
One place to look for slow boot times is the av/fw "suite". I made the mistake of upgrading mine to their latest and
greatest, and it takes forever to boot, their virtual drivers aren't that robust, etc. I swear they're Symantec/Norton repackaged...
73 posted on 05/13/2007 6:40:59 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

a good friend of mine just got a new computer....she needed one badly....and she isn’t very computer literate....she, of course, got one with VISTA.....she HATES IT!


74 posted on 05/13/2007 7:08:08 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: mamelukesabre
IS this true? I can’t beleive they would issue a patent for an algorithm.

Sure, it seems they will patent just about anything, even business processes. Amazon got a famous patent on their "One-Click Ordering". Basically because of that, no other e-commerce web site can store a customer's billing information and process an order for an item by allowing the customer to only click one button. Without paying Amazon a royalty, that is.

See Wikipedia Software Patent

To quote a section of it:

"Patents cover the underlying methodologies embodied in a given piece of software, or the function that the software is intended to serve, independent of the particular language or code that the software is written in. Copyright prevents the direct copying of some or all of a particular version of a given piece of software, but do not prevent other authors from writing their own embodiments of the underlying methodologies."

75 posted on 05/13/2007 7:10:48 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: mamelukesabre
IS this true? I can’t beleive they would issue a patent for an algorithm.

And another related Wikipedia link: Software Patents Under US Patent Law

This article has an interesting tidbit:

"The Clinton administration appointed Bruce Lehman as Commissioner of the Patent and Trademark Office in 1994. Unlike his predecessors, Lehman was not a patent lawyer but the chief lobbyist for the Software Publishing Industry. In 1995, the PTO established some broad guidelines for examining and issuing software patents."

But I'm sure the Linux Lefties will blame Bush....

(Note: That doesn't imply that ALL Linux users are lefties, but there does seem to be a group of free software advocates that are also communists.)

76 posted on 05/13/2007 7:16:52 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: mamelukesabre
I also read somewhere that the EU is at odds with MS and is fining them billions of dollars for anti-trust type stuff, I think.

That is true.

Also, I think I read that Linux is now mandriva and is mostly a french thing

There are many 'distributions' of Linux, Mandriva being one. Many developers all over the world continually working on different aspects of Linux or Linux applications. Another, Ubuntu, is very popular now. It's one of the most user friendly but there are some security concerns with it. If you want to casually play around with Linux, I'd suggest Ubuntu although it is sickeningly PC!

77 posted on 05/13/2007 7:22:04 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Mannaggia l'America

They need to nullify all those patents, imo. Otherwise, I could get a patent on simple logic.

Someone could theoretically patent the process of trading stocks and then demand a royalty on every profit made on wall street. Right?

What if I patented the practice of calling ahead to book a motel room and then demanded a royalty on every room reservation in every motel in the country?

What if I patented the food pyramid and then demanded a royalty from everyone that ate healthy?

What if I patented the technique of lacing up shoes and then demanded a royalty on every shoe lace made from now till doomsday?

What if I patented the curve ball or the hail mary and demanded royalties everytime these techniques were used?


78 posted on 05/13/2007 7:23:01 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Mannaggia l'America

You are correct; one can patent or copyright anything these days. For example:

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79 posted on 05/13/2007 7:28:37 PM PDT by denlittle
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To: cloud8
It seems to me M$ would have to reveal its source code if it wants to prove that Linux has stolen it.

No, because that's not what they are saying. Patents are on things like software algorithms - it wouldn't matter if you wrote the source code for a certain algorithm from scratch, on your own, with no other references. If that algorithm is patented, you would need to license it from the owner of the patent.

For example, Microsoft was granted a patent on the FAT file system, a format for storing data files on disk (http://news.com.com/Microsofts+file+system+patent+upheld/2100-1012_3-6025447.html).

If Linux contains code that reads and writes from a FAT file system, it may be in violation of that patent. It's not saying Linux "stole" the code from MS. Even if it was written from scratch, it is implementing algorithms that have been patented.

80 posted on 05/13/2007 7:30:41 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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