Posted on 05/13/2007 11:34:05 AM PDT by tpaine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU&mode=related&search=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAWiIRgx0g
And furthermore, if Oswald was the angelic, innocent ‘patsy’ that he claimed he was, where are the curtain rods that he brought to work wrapped in brown paper?
If someone can produce those curtain rods, with Oswalds finger prints on them, then I too will join the ranks of the ‘had to be a conspiracy’ group.
The most AMAZING thing is that within this conspiracy, everyone kept their mouths shut for nearly 45 years. What are the odds?
True, nor does Menninger/Donahue. They do prove that such a weapon was at the scene, behind JFK.
Beyond silly.
Nobody except LHO needed to "take out" JFK. Please, get your tinfoil.
???? They took him out because of many reasons. His family was involved with the Military Industrial Complex (insiders), long time before. They were involved in the same way that the Bush family was involved since 1915....from Prescott to GW. Look it up, you should read historical facts. JFK and Robert started to sway from their family ties. Early on, we took an asset (same as Saddam, a CIA asset), the asset was Castro to take over Cuba, 1957-1959 timeframe. Then, in true form that goes back even to WWI, we turned on Castro to provoke a war with Russia, by the Bay of Pigs and the Missile crisis. JFK, on the other hand had departed from his family “ties” for a few reasons, no need to speak about. He avoided war with Russia in every case. He also, [supported by historical fact], was going to eliminate the Federal Reserve, splinter the CIA and “REMOVE” 1,000 American troops from Vietnam by 1965. A move contrary to the one he started by forming the Green Berets and deploying them to Vietnam. This was the last straw for them. JFK come to realize the power of the Military industrial complex as Eisenhower told the American people about just before he left public office.
He was taken out to prevent any messing with the Federal Reserve and from splintering the CIA......the Insiders would not put their future in the hands of a lone assassin on the off chance that he might miss. They pulled the Secret service off the cars as you can see in the films, clearly....and that day we had the coup they had failed at in 1933, fact of history and Congressional Records. That day they showed their power and influence by assassinating a President in Broad daylight........The Americans and Europeans that are subject to this agenda don’t have our best interest in mind.
Don’t buy it. The evidence points to otherwise.
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/406362/
Still Dont Believe In The New World Order?
In order to enighten our readers, we borrowed this from The Konformist website — www.konformist.com— who borrowed it from ManBrad@aol.com.
Still Don’t Believe In The New World Order? Here’s some quotes if you’re still confused.
Revelations From Great And Powerful Men
http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html
I'll take Fidel. Fidel, that is, working with some of the same Mafia boys JFK was using to take him out. read:
Has some interesting sidebars on LHO's Louisiana Mob connections through his favorite Uncle, who was "looking out" for him at this time. I am susceptible to this line of research because I always thought it was Fidel, with KGB help.
Nope, Castro and Kennedy were in dialogue with a journalist as the middle guy. I have the entire interview from a photo copy of the newspaper report..........
Castro Reply to JFK comments on Cuba, New York Times; December 11, 1963, ProQuest Historical Newspaper, The New York Times, 1851- 2003
Article by Jean Daniel
Foreign Editor of L’Express
French Weekly Newspaper
From an interview with JFK, received at 1:45 PM, on October 24, 1963. The meeting was held at 5:30 PM.
Quote: “The night before the assassination, Dr. Castro spoke of the need for an American President who could understand and meet halfway the explosive problem of Latin America.”
CASTRO - “Kennedy could still be this man”, he said; “He still has the possibility of becoming the greatest president of the U.S., the leader who may at last understand that here can be co-existence between capitalist and Socialist, even in the Americas”. “He would then be an even greater President than Lincoln”. UNQUOTE BY CASTRO.
The article is quite long, and Castros response was to be brought back to JFK; if he had lived. I would be more inclined to believe this journalist and Castro than any CIA spokesman, of course. In addition, Castro was brought into power by us. One thing to note was our involvement in elevating Castro to Power over Baptiste. It happened much as with Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin, without U.S. money and U.S. protection, Cuba would not exist today as a Communist nation. Take this quote, from Ambassador Earl Smith....The American Ambassador to Cuba during the Communist Revolution, he comments:
“To the contrary, Castro could not have seized power without the aid of the United States. American government agencies and the U.S. press played a major role in bringing Castro to power. As the U.S. Ambassador to Cuba during the Castro-Communist revolution of 1957 to 1959, I had first hand knowledge of the facts which brought about the rist of Fidel Castro. [Letter to the Editor; New York Times, September 26, 1979, p. A-24]
Even the Cuban Missle crisis, could undo the hold that Castro had, because both JFK and Robert could find no basis in fact for the CIA’s contention that there were missiles in Cuba. [Kennedy, Robert “Thirteen Days; A Memoir of the Cuban Missile Crisis”, The New American Library, New York, 1969, page 24]
In the same article, JFK had felt that the American government had actually created the Castro Movement and later imposed the Castro government down on the American people. During this same interview on October 24, 1963, JFK was quoted as saying, “I think we have spawned, constructed, entirely fabricated without knowing it, the Castro Movement”. He was assassinated about three weeks before the times printed the interview.
Nope, it certainly wasn’t Castro by any stretch of the imagination. Also, if you listen to the rhythm of the shorts fired from that rifle.....there is no way he could fired the two or three that were in quick succession....for starters. No, the Military Industrial Complex conducted a coup and made a statement, “Don’t mess with us”.....
CIA Confesses to Kennedy Assassination
Excerpts from Fatal Rebirth,with commentary
A Feral House Book by H. Michael Sweeney
Copyright (c) 1997 - All rights reserved
Permissions by Request
John F Kennedy Speech, April 27, 1961
American Newspaper Publishers Association. Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York, NY.
In a speech that should shock Americans. He warns the press and America to be on the lookout for the exact circumstances that have manifest themselves under the Bush Administration and the false flag of state sponsered terrorism.
This speech should chill Americans to the bone. Kennedy died trying to warn us. He wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve and the C.I.A.
On November 22, 1963, hardly past his first thousand days in office, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was killed by mutiple assassin’s bullets as his motorcade took and unscheduled turn in Dallas. Kennedy was the youngest man elected President; and youngest to die. The Secret Service was not by his side, they had been called off of his motorcade. Who would have the power to do this?
Graduating from Harvard in 1940, he entered the Navy. In 1943, when his PT boat was rammed and sunk by a Japanese destroyer, Kennedy, despite grave injuries, led the survivors through perilous waters to safety. He is a war hero.
Don’t let his death be in vain. This speech which has now transended time could be the key to saving America from the fate which looms over it like a dark spectre.
Author: John F. Kennedy Date: 1961-04-27 00:00:00 Source: John F. Kennedy Presidential Library Recorded by: White House «
Note: A lot of good people have spent decades chasing after an elusive and fragmented truth with respect to the JFK assassination. Most of them have earned only scorn and name calling as ‘conspiracy buffs’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’ by media and government disinformation resources. Many of them continue today without knowledge that the truth has largely been admitted by the group responsible. Many of the conspiracy hunters have been vindicated, while others still search in hopes of that ‘smoking gun.’ But what better smoking gun than a confession? And we have one! Read it here! It is now time to seek to go beyond JFK as far as wrestling with the various conspiracy theories. There is no need to waste energy there. There are now bigger questions to ask.
JFK died for a reason. The gunmen that pulled the trigger are nothing more than the extension of a greater unseen power, a power with the motive. Cracking that is where I would suggest your efforts should turn next — instead of making/defending the many alternative theories as to who did the deed itself (though some names are not yet known, and other names, like Bush, need more concrete ties drawn). Who did it is visible, who directed and who ordered them to do it, is less visible — though their shimmering form can be seen and seems to be firming up.
Take the trail to the the Three and Five “I”s, being careful to avoid the false leads suggesting they refer to the identities of Permindex, Division Five, American Council of Christian Churches, the Solidarists, and DISC. There are connections between the two assassinated Kennedys that are so ironic as to exceed the Greek tragedies. Go back to square one to the formation of OSS/CIA Follow the money from there forward. Remember: “The fascists are coming.”. If you know what a fascist is... you know what an elitist is... you know what a globalist is...
You might also ask: If CIA were to undertake an assassination of an American President (or anyone else), would not they lay careful contingency plans? What plan would they make for it going completely wrong, and blame coming back to Langley? How would they survive the public wrath had the media known and published the truth in ‘64 instead of publishing the Warren Commission?
The answer is a secret CIA within CIA (Shadow), one able to operate on its own infrastructure, and able to fund its own way through crime. Should Langley die, CIA would survive, but completely invisible and free of government oversight — something that might eventually be better for dark deeds than having CIA In fact, it might even explain why CIA is willing to expose itself to the JFK noose at this time: Shadow may well be fully prepared to replace CIA today. If such a thing as Shadow were to exist, what would it look like and do? The answer just might be the history since Kennedy (both history perceived through media filters and the reality of hidden truths behind the headlines), which can be expressed in oversimplified math, a math which some may not understand:
U2 + Lee Oswald = neutering of Ike; 40 + 40 + 40 = death of Camelot; Vietnam + Tonkin = Asian drug supply; Robert Vesco + Nugan Hand = financial superstructure; Langley - proprietaries being ‘disbanded’ = infrastructure (free of congressional oversight); Watergate + 5 Break Ins = Assassination of Nixon; Paisley “murder” + Bush = CIA purge (freeing agents for insertion into public sector and segregating agents by loyalties); War on Drugs = South American drug supply; MK-ULTRA/Artichoke + Cult Awareness Network = RFK (and more, including Jones Town and Waco); METC UNIT = WTC, OKC; Evergreen + Gordon’s = Orange shipments (capable of producing two kinds of highs); NSA + Clipper/Chipper = NRO in every home; Iran/Contra + Bush/Secord = Lockerbee; CFR + Trilateral Commission = Secret Government; LEA + NIA = In-place assets, Liddy Institute; Ingram + BR Fox = Offshore Murder, Inc. Arms Supply; ADL + B’nai Brith + CIA + Law Enforcement = Networking spy data on American Citizens; Media + CIA = Reuters, K. Graham, Time-Warner, CBS, Hilton Knowles and the rest; and I think I had better stop because I’m bound to have made enough enemies already or tossed out more than you care to consider, anyway. These are some of the things we discuss in our Group — the greater issue of the war at hand, not just one lost battle in 1963.
Enough food for thought — here is the post from the CIA news group. Be warned, however, that I have already had comment from CIA apologists who have been attacking this material for years by use of the 25 Rules of Disinformation (variants on misdirection, confusion, non-logic logic, disinformation, disparaging attacks on sources, and so forth), and they are well prepared to use their arguments on you. Should you be unprepared to deal with the trickery of their non-arguments, just ask two questions of them when they do — and they must wither away. If there are any better confessions from other sources out there, where are they (can they provide an alternative conclusion with better credentials — or are they just attacking this one)? In absence of other officious proofs, why do they try so hard to destroy this one? Know your enemy by their actions.
CIA Confesses to Kennedy Assassination
Trial Testimony by Deposition Under Oath of CIA agent Marita Lorenz From the Defamation Trial of E. Howard Hunt vs. Liberty Lobby United States District Court for Southern District of Florida, January 1985
What follows is the ultimate indictment of E. Howard Hunt and other Operation 40 CIA (AKA Operation Zapata, AKA Bay of Pigs Invasion) agents for the murder of John Kennedy. That not one media representative present at the trial dared print a single word indicts media as being Shadow controlled. That this same testimony was given to FBI within days of the assassination is an indictment of the Justice Department as being Shadow controlled. That the judge presiding over the trial did not order follow-up investigation or indictments for murder is an indictment of the court system as being Shadow controlled. That the same testimony was given the Rockefeller Commission (CFR/Bilderberger/TriLateralist) House Select Committee on Assassinations and nothing was done with the information is an indictment of Congressional oversight as being Shadow controlled.
Note: The remainder of the article provides the transcript in question. Note: This is the second most popular file on this Web site, but interestingly, the most frequent source of downloads is the United States Justice Department. It seems that some people in the system understand that something is wrong with the system! At least one Justice Department lawyer has resigned his post as result of this and similar frustrations.
Why it was done could include jealous husbands.
How it was done is the key.
So....how was it done?[just remember, you’re going to have to back up everything you write]
Good luck. Take all the time you need.
:)) lolol...sure, I’ll visit Dallas and get the investigation.....lolol....I’m sure they’ll share with me the results, enactments, etc....then, I’ll write a book. I need the money.....
In all seriousness, most everything we were told in history classes and by any given administration has been completely convoluted and deceptive. It’s almost not worth trying to find the truth, mainly because the damage has been done and indoctrinated or ingrained for generations.
“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
“For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn’t. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared “ammunition” in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support. Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
“The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
“The depression was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.”
Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
“The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for “the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government.”
Harpers, July l958
Quote:
The Central Intelligence Agency made a formal presentation to those in attendance. [at a White House meeting on the Cuban Missile Crisis]by showing them photographs taken at various missile sites in Cuba. Robert Kennedy later wrote a book entitled “Thirteen Days,” in which he commented on those pictures. He wrote, “I for one, had to take their word for it. I examined the pictures carefully, and what I saw appeared to be no more the clearing of a field for a farm or the basement of a house. I was relieved to hear later that this was the same reaction of virtually everyone at the meeting including President Kennedy
Robert Kennedy.........
[Kennedy, Robert, Thirteen Days: A Memoir of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The New American library, New York, 1969, page 24]
It’s these actual quotes from the people that was there...that makes it hard to get over........actual quotes and historical facts have caused me a lot of trouble in an effort to keep my head in the sand and in denial.
Reliance on the word of any Kennedy is not a good way to establish fact. This particular Kennedy (RFK) did more to cloud the facts of this case than anyone else.
Reliance on the word of any Kennedy is not a good way to establish fact. This particular Kennedy (RFK) did more to cloud the facts of this case than anyone else.
I would trust his testimony 100X more than anyone in the Warren report or the CIA without question. JFK and Robert took off on their own path away from even their family inside ties and evil agenda.
Relying on the CIA or a congressional commission is most always going to be convoluted or a straight out lie. Kosovo is proof of that......starting with Bosnia to Kosovo. The entire campaign was based on Lies.......confirmed, and evidence is abounding. I was there from 1999 to 2004.....Kosovo.
“This particular Kennedy (RFK) did more to cloud the facts of this case than anyone else.”
Absolutely, the CIA and Warren Commission clouded the issue since 1963, and they are still lying, about almost every operation since, as have any congressional commission. The only one that I can remember that was actually truthful, was the Dirkstein and McCormick commission. Although, confirmed, the attempted was swept under the carpet. FDR and the elites had to then settle with starting WWII by financing the Nazi party and Hitler through I.G. Farben and Wall Street, and very cleverly provoking the Japanese to attack in order to enter WWII after 1940....another long story of our true history.
July 1932 to November 1933 – Good timing for an actual planned Coup of the American Government by American big business by attempting to recruit a Major General Butler in the U.S.M.C. as the commander. This true to life plan involved a very colorful character named Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC. He was approached by certain wealthy capitalist from the United States to lead a revolution to overthrow the government and establish an American Fascist dictatorship. He was even tempted by this offer. Three men, representing a body of planners, proposed to General Butler a plan to seize the White House with a private Army of 500,000 very disgruntled veterans, hold FDR prisoner, and get rid of him if he refused to serve as their puppet in a dictatorship they were going to control. Do a search on Butler and discover what he said about war and what he knew already. He asserted that the military really served the role as a collection agency for big bankers. The Senate munitions investigating committee confirmed this assertion in 1934. Major General Butler had won two Congressional Medals of Honor, and had been involved in many campaigns. This committee confirmed that; remember this word; “Standard Oil”, along with United Fruit, the sugar trust, the big banks, had been behind most of the operations he had lead. Do another search to find the McCormack-Dickstein Committee that investigated Butler’s charges. They confirmed his allegations. There are other folks that believe that Butler was maybe being set up, and that this incident was actually going to be the means that these big businessmen and FDR was going to use. Butler would lead this private Army to DC, this action would have resulted in FDR declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law and being supported by the American people. It was planned and would have succeeded, however, Butler, being a Marine in true form, revealed the plot and FDR had to be happy just being a President. The investigation went lame and just disappeared from sight. Among the powers that be, it was decided that the main way to recover and still achieve this goal was to involve the U.S. in a war. Note that in 1927 was the start of Standard Oil supporting Germany by refining the oil necessary to begin WWII.
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