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Thin legal line separates two similar procedures [pro partial birth abortion BS from the LA Slimes]
Los Angeles Times ^ | 05/07/2007 | Mary Beckman

Posted on 05/07/2007 7:56:08 PM PDT by Yaelle

Dr. Michael Ross, chairman of obstetrics and gynecology at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance, says the law probably refers to a procedure called "intact dilation and extraction," or intact D&X. It differs from another procedure, D&E, or dilation and evacuation, which is not outlawed.

Both procedures start the same. The cervix is dilated via mechanical stimulation or a drug, which takes a day or two.

To perform a D&E (not banned), suction and forceps are then used to pull fetal tissue from the uterus. In the process, the fetus is broken up.

In an intact D&X (banned), the fetus is removed feet-first and mostly whole, except for the head, which is too big. Physicians then use suction to remove the brain and collapse the head. In either case, physicians sometimes inject the fetus with a drug to kill it before beginning dilation.

Drey says physicians are breaking the law if they start to remove an intact fetus while it is still alive but not if they remove a fetus intact when it is dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: abortion; birth; legal; partial
I hope the above excerpt is not too long. I am sorry that to read the article you have to register with the L.A. Times. They don't deserve it.

There is another article in the same issue extolling the good things about each type of legal first trimester abortion. It is madness how both of these articles completely skirt the issue of the poor baby that is so inconvenient.

This article as per above seems to be saying that mainly the reason for a partial birth abortion would be no different than for any abortion: the child is not wanted. It seems to be saying that the procedure is STILL LEGAL as long as you kill the child with a deadly injection first.

At the end of the article, they cite a case where partial birth abortion was "needed," because a woman miscarrying was hemmorhaging. First off, the procedure is still allowed if it literally saves a life, and second, wouldn't a C-section be faster and more controllable for the doctor than worrying about dilating a cervix and how long that might take?

1 posted on 05/07/2007 7:56:15 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: cpforlife.org

Ping to journalistic partial birth abortion apologists.


2 posted on 05/07/2007 7:59:23 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle; Jim Robinson; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
Hopefully, this brief editorial will help clarify what the pro-abort LA Slimes was getting at. Pictures of the two forms of unbelievable barbarity follow:

Partial Birth Abortion

Some discourses are so incredulous only the intelligentsia can understand them. This can be applied to the dissenters of the Supreme Court decision to ban Partial Birth Abortion. I challenge those Justices who dissented from the ban to explain to me how inducing a breech delivery on a woman (which would be life threatening in and of itself) and sucking the brains out of a baby who has already been delivered and whose cavarian is sitting in the cervical os can save the life of a mother?

The abortionists, by manipulating a breech delivery, is the villianist character who is not only killing a baby ¾ out the birth canal but is putting the mother in a life threatening position by a breech delivery. Conversely, defunct abortionist James Whitmore III, MD wrote in his lawsuit to keep partial birth abortion legal that “the ban would encompass D & E procedures.” Whitmore also declares that “during the D & E procedure, a part of the fetus protrudes from or is pulled through the cervical os before the fetus is fully removed. It is possible that the fetus (baby) is living when part of the fetus is within the uterus and part is outside, because it is extremely difficult to know precisely when fetal demise occurs. Thus, all D & E procedures could be considered partial birth abortion.”

To get to the crux of the matter, show an ultrasound to any child and ask them to tell you what they see. They will tell you, “A baby.” If it is a baby, then abortion is murder. “Blessed is the fruit of thy womb!” Satan and abortion have cursed the womb and have brought upon fathers and mothers the curse of Cain.

Richard Mahoney, Cardiopulmonary Tech
founder, AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL .

Illustration of partial-birth abortion performed
at 24 weeks gestational age.

Letter from Anthony P. Levatino, M.D., J.D., former abortionist, explaining that the images shown above "accurately depict" the partial-birth abortion method, and that "the images are size-appropriate to a fetus of approximately 24 weeks gestation." -- March 4, 2003

Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand, an Oxford and Harvard trained neonatal pediatrician and pain expert testified at the New York federal court hearings over the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Dr. Anand testified that: "I believe the fetus is conscious," and that the pain during this procedure is "severe and excruciating" to 20-week-old pre-born children.

Under cross-examination, Dr. Anand said he believes a less-controversial abortion procedure, known as "dilation and evacuation" (D&E), would cause the same amount of pain to a child. An estimated 140,000 D&Es, the most common method of second-trimester abortion, take place in the United States annually. Washington Times

ALTERNATIVE TO PBA:


3 posted on 05/07/2007 10:54:19 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Yaelle
wouldn't a C-section be faster and more controllable for the doctor than worrying about dilating a cervix and how long that might take?

Yep. Ever wonder why these people have never come up with an actual example when this procedure was needed versus C-Section?

4 posted on 05/08/2007 9:09:12 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Yaelle
Drey says physicians are breaking the law if they start to remove an intact fetus while it is still alive but not if they remove a fetus intact when it is dead.

I shouldn't be but I'm still amazed that a well-educated doctor doesn't see the inhumanity if not the illogic of saying if part of the baby manages to get out of the birth canal it's a human baby, but if not it's a "fetus" subject to summary execution.

5 posted on 05/08/2007 9:12:29 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Yaelle

I just had a call from Concerned Women for America.

Congress is right now in the process of passing legislation to overturn the partial birth abortion judgement. It includes language that would make it impossible to pass pro-life legislagion, or appeal a pro-life judgement again.

To support CWA’s effort to curtain this legislation,please send your check to:

CWA, P.O. Box 65453
Washington D.C. 20035

And please help to spread the word. Thank you.


6 posted on 05/08/2007 10:11:41 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Yaelle

saddened. sickened. Father, bring an end to all of this soon, in Jesus Name, Amen!


7 posted on 05/08/2007 9:01:21 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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