European Skin Turned Pale Only Recently, Gene Suggests

Science ^ | April 2007 | Ann Gibbons

[blam]

Here's a very interesting story I always like to post...Cheddar Man (England) has mtDNA haplogroup U5 which today is found (highest concentration) in the Sa'ami.

Descendant Of Stone Age Skeleton Found (Cheddar Man - 9,000 Years Old)

"In an astonishing piece of detective work, they matched mitochondrial DNA material extracted from the tooth cavity of Britain's oldest complete skeleton with that of a 42-year-old history teacher, Adrian Targett. The genetic material showed without doubt that Targett is a direct descendant through his mother's line of the skeleton known as Cheddar Man, which was found in 1903 in caves in Cheddar Gorge in southwest England."

"It is extraordinary that the DNA survives at all, but we were able to extract it and sequence it," said Bryan Sykes of Oxford University's Institute of Molecular Medicine. "They would have shared a common ancestor about 10,000 years ago, so they are related."

"Targett lives about a kilometer from the caves where Cheddar Man was found. Previous tests have shown that Cheddar Man suffered a violent death at the age of about 23 in 7150 B.C."

Targett today lives less than a mile from where his mother's relatives lived 9,000 years ago. (...and, my ex-wife accused me of never wanting to go anywhere, lol)

BTW, there is a 26,000 year old Cheddar Man too but, I can't find any study done on him.

[blam]

Ancient DNA (Cheddar Man, Otzi, Etc)

[ZULU]

INteresting.

I’ll try to get those books.

Thank you for the references.

[blam]

The Seven Daughters Of Eve (Should be eight)

[muawiyah]

That would be coincident with the final dessication of the Sahara Desert and a massive increase in dust at higher latitudes.

Maybe it was exceedingly "dark" throughout Europe in that period.

[muawiyah]

The Brits were in India for several hundred years. No doubt things happened.

[muawiyah]

Since we are talking about just a few thousand people, all of that is quite reasonable to believe.

No doubt it was difficult finding dates back then.

[muawiyah]

Those groups are all the same ethnotype for the most part. The division you are looking for is between Northern European types and Southern European types.

Only the Germans and Slavs believe there are any serious differences between Germans and Slavs.

[muawiyah]

Blondism is not necessarily "recessive".

In fact, there are two different colors of pigment present in human beings. One is brown/black and the other is red/brown. There are all sorts of combinations possible.

[muawiyah]

The error is thinking that skin color actually exists. There are only two colors of pigment (with the "red" version having been discovered only recently.

You are speaking only of degrees of pigmentation with some folks having a darker appearance due to a higher pigment content in the upper layers of skin.

Many factors control the amount of pigment in the skin and some may or may not be as "dominant" as you might imagine.

[muawiyah]

There are still recurring reports on Vitamin D deficiency in African-American children.

If you were lactose intolerant, and had darker skin, life in a Northern city such as Chicago might well leave you somewhat incapacitated as compared to your lighter brethren who were not lactose intolerant.

Not that this couldn't be overcome in these modern times, but unless your mother was fully cognizant of what was happening, she could end up with many fewer grandchildren than she might have had in Mississippi for example.

Delection of certain genetic combinations can happen in a single generation if they prove fatal, or nearly so.

[muawiyah]

Other way around ~ their are Yemen populations with blondism ~ they didn’t move in with Alexander. They were there thousands of years earlier.

[muawiyah]

The folks from Spain who invaded Ireland came from Galicia. They spoke a now dead Gaellic tongue ~ it's only been dead since the mid 1600s though.

The first known invasion (record in history) was about 700 BC. That's when the three brothers (sons of Ir) sailed their ships to a new land they called Scota.

Through time Scota became known as Irland (after Ir) and Alba became Scotia or Scotland.

The earlier population had all the black hair. The new invaders from Ireland had the red hair. The titled nobles had originally come from the Volga. They took over the Westernmost Basque region. Undoubtedly they took a lot of Basque slaves with them because today's Irish population cannot be differentiated from the Basque people on the Continent.

[muawiyah]

Many, probably most Scots Irish descend from Scots who themselves descend from Irish and Viking forebears who met and mixed in the 900s.

[NavyCanDo]

That is true. Many people in the British Isles can find Normans in their family trees if they search back far enough. I have traced my Scots/Irish ancestry all the way back to Norman, Ivar the Great. One of his descendent's a direct ancestor of mine married the 10th daughter of the King of Scotland, Robert the Bruce. This ancester must have been of some importance because he was tasked with taking the heart of Robert the Bruce to Jerusalem after his death, and his family was given the sword of the King, which was later taken to Ireland with them.

[A. Patriot]

...and here I thought Indians all look like those guys from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Here is an explanation:

http://www.indhistory.com/aryan.html

[PuTiDaMo]

Central Asia and Persia have been taking in migrations of fair-featured Indo-European types since 2000 BC or so. “Alexander’s army” is most likely responsible for a small fraction of the Caucasian traits found there.

[PuTiDaMo]

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Plenty of light skinned Asiatics in Korea, China & Japan, etc. What is suggested wrt them?

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Read this May 2006 study and this December 2006 study.

According to them, the genes for light skin in Europeans and East Asians are different and arose independently. So these traits could have appeared at different times too. A separate study will have to be conducted for East Asians.

[Cacique]

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