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Pet-Food Recall: Timing and Triggers (Iams Blew the Whistle!)
Pet Connection Blog ^ | Thursday April 26, 2007 | Milwaukee_Guy

Posted on 04/26/2007 10:08:18 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy

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To: Redbob

I heard from a vet that most of the solid ground canned food that you have to spoon out of the can is probably OK, and the ones with chunks in gravy are more suspect.


41 posted on 04/26/2007 11:10:47 AM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: petitfour

It already has: it’s been fed to hogs here in the US and in South Africa.


42 posted on 04/26/2007 11:11:05 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Sender
Right now the best guidance is to avoid any pet -or- human food with wheat gluten, rice protein or corn gluten.

Chinese contamination has been found in pork and chicken destined for the human food chain now.

Avoid any of the ingredients listed above and avoid any food stuffs imported from China.

The CDC is currently monitoring any cases of renal failures in -humans-.

43 posted on 04/26/2007 11:20:14 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
Note that Menu Foods had a 50% mortality rate (i.e. dead test animals) from their own internal live pet food tasting, and -sat- on the info until Iams advised they were going public.

That's criminal behavior.

44 posted on 04/26/2007 11:22:58 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: All

More from, http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/#comments

Iams has now confirmed that account with us: That they would have launched their own recall if Menu hadn’t.

Why does this matter?

Because while we certainly do think the recalls should have been made sooner – and should be being made now, based on what the FDA already now knows and will not reveal to us – we shudder to think how much worse this situation could have been had Iams not muscled Menu into pulling all affected “cuts and gravy” product.

Would we have ever known there was a problem if they hadn’t? Before the first recall, veterinarians across the country were comparing notes and scratching their heads over the mysterious increase in acute renal failure in their practices. We had veterinarians wondering if the problems were local – such as in a pesticide incident, or serial pet poisoner – and those who were suspecting that something must larger was going on. But what?

The Menu Foods recall was the “AHA!” moment when it all made sense.

But had Iams not threatened their own recall based on their own internal tracking systems, would the rise in acute renal cases just been just a blip on the radar screen, a misunderstood and tragic aberation? Without Iams own internal investigation and the power they could bring to bear on their contract manufacturer, would we now have a massive FDA investigation into Chinese imports and their possible contamination of the human food chain? Two Congressional hearings? And much, much more?

These are all good questions, and we’ll never know all the answers. But it’s very possible that without the decision of one of the big pet food companies to take the hit entirely on their own, we wouldn’t know anything at all now, and many thousands more of our pets might be sick or dead, without anyone ever really knowing why.


45 posted on 04/26/2007 11:25:28 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Redbob

All Science Diet pet foods are free of wheat gluten. The corn gluten Science Diet uses in some of its products is from a local US supplier and is not part of the recall. Science Diet uses rice protein in four of its products. It is not from the supplier involved in the recall, has been tested by Science Diet, and found to be free of melamine.

I’m a Science Diet Demo Rep and have written confirmation of the above.


46 posted on 04/26/2007 11:31:43 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco
Does any of your product, ingredients or additives originate in China?

If so, your product is -highly- suspect.

What certification can you present that none of your product comes from China?

Thrill and amaze us sales guy. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Lets see documentation on your corporate letterhead!

47 posted on 04/26/2007 11:41:16 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

China Bans Melamine in Food Products:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHINA_PET_FOOD_RECALL?SITE=TXBEA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


48 posted on 04/26/2007 11:49:13 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

I await your response to my private message.

bcsco


49 posted on 04/26/2007 11:54:38 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco
“All Science Diet pet foods are free of wheat gluten.”

Why have these Science Diet products been recalled?


Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts Can ( Hill’s Pet Nutrition April 5, 2007 Comment on Industry News )

Jun/19/08
Sliced Beef/Gravy 3oz
Can
3oz
52742-44120

Jun/20/08
Jun/19/08
Sliced Chicken/Grvy 3oz
Can
3oz
52742-44110

Jun/20/08
Jun/19/08
Sliced Oceanfish/Sauce 3oz
Can
3oz
52742-44010

Jun/20/08
Jun/19/08
Sliced Senior Chicken/Gravy 3oz
Can
3oz
52742-46000


THESE SCIENCE DIET PRODUCTS HAD CHINESE CONTAMINATED WHEAT GLUTEN IN THEM FROM MENU FOODS.

I am hoping that you were simply misinformed.

What do you have to say now, sales guy? Premium priced pet food made from third world ingredients is what I see.

here’s the link, http://www.menufoods.com/recall/Press%20Release%2004052007%20US.htm

50 posted on 04/26/2007 12:04:52 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: griswold3

Years ago my husband drove a grain truck and delivered to places such as Quaker Oats, etc. He said that before you
dumped your load you were required to release insecticide in the grain by way of “bombs” (cans). Once the load was determined to be “fit” to dump, you dumped it all...insecticide, insecticide cans, and dead bugs.


51 posted on 04/26/2007 12:17:10 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: Redbob

Innova Evo...grain free.


52 posted on 04/26/2007 12:18:51 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: abigailsmybaby

Food processing plants take almost anything by charging elevators/farmers etc ‘dockage’.
Not so with pet food processors.


53 posted on 04/26/2007 12:20:55 PM PDT by griswold3 (Don't 'Bob Dole' me in 2008!!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Ohhhhhh wowwww..... does anyone here still believe the CEO just happened to sell a big block of his stock before calling for the recall? they never would have done it if Iams had not applied the brakes.


54 posted on 04/26/2007 12:22:08 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
Does any of your product, ingredients or additives originate in China?

We had two products we voluntarily recalled on March 27 and March 30, 2007: Savory Cuts Feline (can) and Prescription Diet MD Feline (Dry). These were the only two products that contained wheat gluten. All products currently marketed by Science Diet is wheat gluten free. I have this in writing under corporate logo. I also have store flyers stating the same.

What certification can you present that none of your product comes from China?

What I have been given is email notification and store announcements. I've already responded above to the wheat gluten issue. Regarding rice protein issue, the email I have states (under corporate logo): "While Hill's uses ride protein concentrate in 4 of its products, we do not use the supplier involved with the recall. Hill's has tested its ingredients and these tests show no melamine is present in the rice protein concentrate that it uses". Regarding the Corn gluten issue, I have a flyer with corporate logo that states: "No Hill's products are affected by this recall. Hill's uses US-sourced corn gluten and does not source corn gluten from China".

I hope this answers your concerns. I would not be making claims if I felt the company I represent was less than honest and upfront in their claims and commitment to our pets health and nutrition. In fact, I would not be working for them if that were the case.

55 posted on 04/26/2007 12:22:30 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Redbob

Also, thehonestkitchen.com. Their foods are dehydrated raw and have to mixed with water before feeding. And since they are raw, you have to handle them accordingly. They do have a grain free formula tho. My girls are doing very well on it, but I also keep the Innova too.


56 posted on 04/26/2007 12:23:09 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: jeffers

That’s what I think.... Iams was stupid to oursource (as were the others), especially to a country that has more liberal standards for pet food manufacture, but the middle men were playing fast and loose with the ingredients they were/are importing.


57 posted on 04/26/2007 12:24:54 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: 007girl

LOL! That’s too cute.


58 posted on 04/26/2007 12:25:59 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

I saw them mention a GOP on the committee who was excoriating one of the witnesses... just seems like our guys are being very quiet in this case, I hate to think why so for now I won’t.


59 posted on 04/26/2007 12:26:08 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: bcsco

Have they rid their products of BHA, BHT and Ethioxin yet? The grains yet? Dogs and especially cats do not need grains.


60 posted on 04/26/2007 12:27:37 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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