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Government admits lying about jailed border agents (DHS fesses up - Rep. Poe ticked!)
World Net Daily ^ | February 6, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:18:29 PM PST by calcowgirl

Inspector confronted on Capitol Hill, says promised 'proof' does not exist

A Department of Homeland Security official admitted today the agency misled Congress when it contended it possessed investigative reports proving Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean confessed guilt and declared they "wanted to shoot some Mexicans" prior to the incident that led to their imprisonment.

The admission came during the testimony of DHS Inspector General Richard L. Skinner before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, according to Michael Green, press secretary for Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas.

Culberson was questioning Skinner about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.

WND previously reported that at that meeting the DHS Inspector General's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:

1. confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

2. stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

3. stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

4. were belligerent to investigators;

5. destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.

Under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up the claims: "The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from the congressman.

"You lied to me and you lied to all of us," Culberson charged. "Your office tried to paint a picture of Ramos and Compean as dirty cops, and now you come before this committee and tell us you never had the information to back up those claims."

Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month after their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler who was granted immunity to testify against them.

Responding to Skinner's testimony yesterday, Poe said it "explains why DHS has been stonewalling Congress."

"DHS didn't turn over the reports to us to back up their September 26 accusations for one simple reason – the reports never existed," the Texas congressman said.

"Why did it take DHS four months to admit their error?" he asked. "I wonder how much more has DHS told the public and Congress about Ramos and Compean that simply isn't true?"

Poe said he's determined to get to the bottom of DHS's claim.

"I expect this new revelation will lead to a lot more questions before we're done," he said.

Andy Ramirez, who has been involved with the case as chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, told WND the DHS's actions "represent obstruction of justice, and they should be held in contempt of Congress, and, if possible, prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

"This admission today is yet more proof of how they are willing to distort the facts, as I have charged all along, in order to ensure a conviction," he said.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; culberson; dhs; duncanhunter; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen; outtoshootmexicans; sutton; tedpoe; vigilantes; warning; witchhunt
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To: CAluvdubya

Thanks! I didn't mean to leave anybody off--I'm sure I missed many!


101 posted on 02/06/2007 6:53:30 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: listenhillary
Are you saying he should pardon somebody because of political pressure?
He should pander to a loud group of emotional people who do not know or want to know all the facts of the case?

If you believe that then he should talk to Iran and Syria and pull all the troops out of Iraq too. Might as well go ahead and let the Muslims have Israel while he is at it. Right?

He should take the time to learn the facts of this case, confer with experts on this and then make his decision.
102 posted on 02/06/2007 6:53:35 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: Enterprise

If he doesn't (distance himself) then I will be profoundly disappointed in the man I thought him to be.


103 posted on 02/06/2007 6:54:22 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for the information.


104 posted on 02/06/2007 6:54:38 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: RayStacy

Dooh! I was incorrect, this is a NiFong Story continuation. Whole different issue...redact.


105 posted on 02/06/2007 6:54:52 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: calcowgirl
The correct procedure:

Pardon
Reinstate
Promote ahead of peers

...and for added value:

Pick any two senior BP officials who assisted the prosecution, fire them ("accept their resignations with regret", even) and replace them with these two.

106 posted on 02/06/2007 6:55:14 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Thanks, non-R voters, for the next two years. Hope it's only two.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Interesting thought.


107 posted on 02/06/2007 6:55:20 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Speaking of Senators..... I hear a lot from congressmen on this. What Senator is out there asking for their release?


108 posted on 02/06/2007 6:56:39 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Yeah. Forget about pardons. If any of this is true, some very serious crimes have been committed, and they are in danger. He needs to give them witness protection until this is sorted out.


109 posted on 02/06/2007 6:56:43 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: reformedliberal
What has government ever done that made much sense?

I think that to get a government job, people must have to take some kind of test to see if they are supid enough....or just getting a job there triggers some kind of brain chemical that turns on some kind of hidden stupid gene.

110 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:13 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: CyberAnt
The really sad part .. Ramos' family is in CA and Ramos is in MO. This keeps Ramos' family from being able to see him. I blame Arnold for this fiasco.

Was that a test to see who read your whole post? LOL. BTW... Ramos is in Miss. and Compean is in Ohio. Both wives are still in TX, as I understand it.

111 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:16 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: reformedliberal

Just a guess. I would imagine that the Mexican President made a request that the men not be shown leniency.


112 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:17 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: msnimje

Just one question. Did you read the article on this thread you are posting on?

If there is BS in the prosecution of the BP agents, I want to get to the bottom of it..


113 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:29 PM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
My point in all this has been to back you all down from sensationalist claims. If you could refute my points, your arguments would be so much stronger, and you might get mainstream media attention.

Ummmmm, I don't think that's your only motivation. I can remember having a "discussion" with you some months back about securing our borders. You didn't seem to think that amnesty was a bad idea IIRC.

114 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:31 PM PST by CAluvdubya (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: listenhillary

I admit I have supported Bush until now---this deal with the Border Agents has made me change my mind about him, especially since he favors the mex's (got them in his own family and was raisd by them)---just like any other scumbag politician Bush is no longer interested in doing right or at least telling voters he will do right since he cannot run again and will sit back for life and be accorded honors as an ex-pres at taxpayer expense, therefore, he doesn't 'give a s--t or rats ass' what anyone thinks about him---put them (politicians)all in any barrel and you will get basically the same piece of lying garbage if you pull one out, regardless of party! God help America with the trash that is supposed to be leading Her today!!


115 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:45 PM PST by cmotormac44
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I don't remember anybody doubting Ramos was attacked, in EITHER of the threads on the subject last night or today.

There was some confusion as to why inmates would have steel-toed boots, but that was cleared up by a poster suggesting the boot companies actually market a boot for that purpose.

And there was doubt that he could be severely beaten but refused medical treatment. The new report posted in this thread says he had minor cuts and bruises -- that is certainly believable and doesn't require us to weave a conspiracy involving the President, Attorney General, a warden, prison guards, and Mr. Walsh.

But I don't remember anybody saying they were sure the story was a lie or anything. I know I didn't.


116 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:52 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CAluvdubya

He.... we're only getting 3,000 a day into Arizona now (thanks to the NG on the border /s) how many are coming into California these days.


117 posted on 02/06/2007 6:59:17 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: reformedliberal

"Does anyone know WHY DHS is doing this?"

because they can.


118 posted on 02/06/2007 7:00:00 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bpjam
If that happens, there will be irreparable harm to our ability to get anybody to work in ICE or near the border.

I suspicion that that could be the Bush Administration's reason for doing little about this and similar cases. The Bush Administration continues to be anti-borders.
119 posted on 02/06/2007 7:00:19 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Cicero

Putting this man into the general population, when he had been promised solitary, is beyond injustice. Someone wanted a problem taken care of.


120 posted on 02/06/2007 7:01:11 PM PST by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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