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To: Golden Eagle
LOL, Macs are great computers, but you seem to be stretching the facts quite a bit.

Am not. Hey, long time, no see.

FYI "simultaneously" and "multi-boot" are not the same.

Yeah, it's just common lingo. We don't have a good word for it.

CDW still sells Windows 2000.

Yes, if they have retail stock you can buy it. Other places too. It has nothing to do with how Microsoft deals with Dell and HP and other large vendors. Many, if not most, Dells are sold now with Vista only. Dunno if you can call and request XP.

Like they are going after Apple as well?

Like I said before, it's all good. MS's DRM is far worse but that doesn't mean Apple gets the "good" DRM award. DRM is just bad.

Because 90% of the people using PC's continue to pay good money for it.

More accurately, they have no choice but to buy it with a new machine. While you can order plain Dells with no OS, you pay more and they do things like take away or downgrade your monitor. They need a fat lawsuit.

Most users trust Microsoft more than hackers, which is hardly "bizarre".

Microsoft is who made the hackers so dangerous by refusing to fix so many long-time flaws. But in SP2, Microsoft did cripple your TCP/IP stack's number of half-open connections so your infected machine couldn't spam or attack quite as fast. Anything to avoid actually fixing their own known security flaws, I guess. Another "security through crippling the machine" feature.

I guess the Apple ads showing two guys holding hands aren't sad, but "funny".

Holding hands? I thought I had seem them all. Is this up at Apple's site with the rest?

I thought you said you could run three different operating systems simultaneously?

I do. Under Vista, only the high-priced versions allow you to use your full CPU power. Now, under WinXP Pro, I'm allowed to use two CPUs. But XP is so old, they never thought to limit it to 'number of cores'. So even though I have two CPU sockets, I have four processor cores and get the full power of all four. Clearly, Microsoft won't stand for any more of this. Also, Vista forbids and disallows virtualization except on the high-end versions. No proper VMware for you if you don't pay them to let you use your own Intel hardware. In fairness, Apple forbids you to virtualize their OS currently but it's widely expected they'll relax this to allow OS X to be virtual on OS X. (Which is pretty puny, I know)

Ever heard of "auto updates"?

Ever heard of "I don't trust them to have read access to my drives?" I also don't submit to warrantless searches. I'm so boring I don't have anything to hide. But I don't see any reason to constantly allow this creeping intrusion and datamining of my personal property.

I just got a sleek new HP Intel notebook with 15" monitor and DVD burner for $499. I can get an Apple for that?

I'm not interested in the bargain basement machines. You do get what you pay for in design, support, etc. And Apple's resale value often offsets their initial prices. I have been surprised how much old Apple machines bring on eBay.

Some people said the same about XP when it was released, yet 75% of the world's PC's now run it.

Actually, I think it's far more than that.

Most of his money has gone to save or extend lives.

That's why he's greeted in places like India by people dressed as human condoms? Oh.

So where's the love from Apple? Couldn't be because DRM isn't integrated could it?

Apple had to choose. The two processor roadmaps were clear: Intel was a clear winner for Apple and its users. AMD isn't a good option at present, no matter how much I have liked AMD in the past or admire their forthcoming designs.

No kidding, I used to be an Apple salesman, till they left me and my customers with an abandoned platform. They still haven't recovered and that was 20 years ago.

Have you heard of this thing they call OS X? What, you didn't think we still ran System 6 off floppies or something? Look, until OS X.2, you couldn't have paid me to take an Apple machine. I had a buddy with a number of them and I refused the offer. OS X was a major draw for me.

What did Melissa say to Bill on their honeymoon night? "I see why you called it Microsoft".

His marketing guys promptly FUDded her.
119 posted on 01/30/2007 5:53:18 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Yeah, it's just common lingo. We don't have a good word for it.

Those that have a better idea what they're talking about, do. I'll give you a hint, "bootcamp" and "multiboot" contain the same four characters in a row, but I don't think that was what you were actually doing.

Yes, if they have retail stock you can buy it. Other places too.

You were the one saying XP wouldn't be available in 3 months, why not if I can still get 2000 seven years later?

DRM is just bad.

Bad for those who want something for free, but good for those that already have something worth protecting.

More accurately, they have no choice but to buy it with a new machine.

Apple sells new machines without Windows, you bought one or more yourself right?

Microsoft is who made the hackers so dangerous by refusing to fix so many long-time flaws.

Yes, I believe you said it took them "years", so where's the example I asked for?

Holding hands? I thought I had seem them all.

Unfortunately yes, it was something about being able to network together, I saw a stillshot posted here a couple of weeks ago too.

In fairness, Apple forbids you to virtualize their OS currently but it's widely expected they'll relax this to allow OS X to be virtual on OS X

I don't see much purpose in that, in any event Vista can virtualize and be virtualized whereas OSX still can't.

I don't see any reason to constantly allow this creeping intrusion and datamining of my personal property.

Automatically applying security patches is "datamining"? What about the pop ups I recently got to update my Quicktime, and even install iTunes, for which I have no use?

I'm not interested in the bargain basement machines. You do get what you pay for in design, support, etc.

This machine is no clunker, it's very sleek and very fast and very affordable. Extremely bright screen, super keyboard, even has features you don't see on the Mac notebooks like a memory card reader and dialup modem.

Look, until OS X.2, you couldn't have paid me to take an Apple machine.

I've always liked Apple, even after they abandoned me early on, because it is a premium product. I just find a portion of their users annoying who think every last person that uses a PC must be a gullible idiot. Obviously not, since I saw right through your questionable claims from the start.

128 posted on 01/30/2007 6:57:15 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: George W. Bush

Ah, here that little rascal is, the "Apple Software Update" utility that installed itself when I installed Quicktime. Let's see, right under the Edit menu, then Preferences, I see the following:

You can select to check for updates automatically. If you do, Apple Software Update will notify you when an update is available. How often would you like to check for updates?

Daily
Weekly
Monthly
Never

Is this the "datamining" you were accusing Microsoft of? How in the world could Apple do such an evil thing as well?


131 posted on 01/30/2007 7:18:12 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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