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To: George W. Bush
LOL, Macs are great computers, but you seem to be stretching the facts quite a bit.

Vista looks to be the new Windows Millennium

ME was a hybrid 16/32 bit O/S, Vista has seperate 32 and 64 bit versions.

it's annoying and confusing for anyone except expert users, spending most of its time forcing you to click on this or that authorization for something it doesn't explain to you.

Security and convenience are inversely proportional, Macs typically prompt the user including for passwords before making any significant changes as well.

Microsoft locked out the other antivirus companies

Your information is severely out of date.

all the DRM stuff that is designed to degrade your HD videos if you don't have HDMI/HDCP monitors and video cards.

Which is one of the main reasons Apple switched to Intel.

I use it to multi-boot, running Mac OSX, WinXP and Ubuntu Linux all simultaneously

FYI "simultaneously" and "multi-boot" are not the same.

Many of those mass-market machines like the Dell's that people bought last year that were "Certified For Vista" turned out not to be.

The gold version of Vista wasn't even released to the "mass market" till today.

Microsoft will refuse to sell copies of XP to Dell/HP/Gateway or in retail packages.

CDW still sells Windows 2000.

Microsoft is a damned monopoly.

I thought you owned an Apple?

I hope the EU continues to go after them

Like they are going after Apple as well?

How can a company make billions of dollars off such crappy second-rate software?

Because 90% of the people using PC's continue to pay good money for it.

The idea of trusting a company like Microsoft for your security when their own design errors have directly caused the very security problems we face now is just bizarre.

Most users trust Microsoft more than hackers, which is hardly "bizarre".

Vista is a sad sick joke of an OS.

Some people said the same about XP when it was released, yet 75% of the world's PC's now run it.

And if Vista is so great, then why are they already planning the release of Vista Service Pack 1 later this year?

To make it better, haven't you been saying it needs improvement?

It's a lot more than five. I guesstimate it as 12-15 different Vistas.

Bad guess.

Personally, I think Microsoft should give Vista away.

Which easily explains why you're not the richest man in the world.

Ubuntu/Kubuntu (which means "it takes a village to destroy a pumpkin" or some such rot in some African language)?

How exactly do you pronounce that? Nevermind.

One of the most interesting and exciting things on the horizon is the KDE 4 release.

You mean the advanced features like cut and paste might finally work?

And MS is doing a sad little PR blitz to pump up sales

I guess the Apple ads showing two guys holding hands aren't sad, but "funny".

It allows a company with bad and mediocre ideas to dominate the market and crush the real innovators on all platforms.

I thought you said you could run three different operating systems simultaneously?

Microsoft's performance is a joke by comparison, refusing to fix truly dangerous security holes for years on end.

Sounds like a severe stretch, got an example?

I forced a friend to update his XP Pro last night because he'd been neglecting it since September.

Ever heard of "auto updates"?

I used to believe the Apple=overpriced thing. And they were. But there have been real changes there.

I just got a sleek new HP Intel notebook with 15" monitor and DVD burner for $499. I can get an Apple for that?

Vista requires you to buy hardware 2-3 times more powerful to run the trickle-down versions of major console games

Which would still be better than no trickle down at all wouldn't it?

Gates has the usual billionaire's preoccupation with funding depopulation

Most of his money has gone to save or extend lives.

Gotta love a company as scrappy as AMD.

So where's the love from Apple? Couldn't be because DRM isn't integrated could it?

Because Apple will cut off old interfaces and make complete changes to embrace new technology at the drop of a hat.

No kidding, I used to be an Apple salesman, till they left me and my customers with an abandoned platform. They still haven't recovered and that was 20 years ago.

Leave it to Gates to marry Melissa, product manager of the worst single piece of crapware he ever tried to foist on the public.

What did Melissa say to Bill on their honeymoon night? "I see why you called it Microsoft".

116 posted on 01/30/2007 4:48:15 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
LOL, Macs are great computers, but you seem to be stretching the facts quite a bit.

Am not. Hey, long time, no see.

FYI "simultaneously" and "multi-boot" are not the same.

Yeah, it's just common lingo. We don't have a good word for it.

CDW still sells Windows 2000.

Yes, if they have retail stock you can buy it. Other places too. It has nothing to do with how Microsoft deals with Dell and HP and other large vendors. Many, if not most, Dells are sold now with Vista only. Dunno if you can call and request XP.

Like they are going after Apple as well?

Like I said before, it's all good. MS's DRM is far worse but that doesn't mean Apple gets the "good" DRM award. DRM is just bad.

Because 90% of the people using PC's continue to pay good money for it.

More accurately, they have no choice but to buy it with a new machine. While you can order plain Dells with no OS, you pay more and they do things like take away or downgrade your monitor. They need a fat lawsuit.

Most users trust Microsoft more than hackers, which is hardly "bizarre".

Microsoft is who made the hackers so dangerous by refusing to fix so many long-time flaws. But in SP2, Microsoft did cripple your TCP/IP stack's number of half-open connections so your infected machine couldn't spam or attack quite as fast. Anything to avoid actually fixing their own known security flaws, I guess. Another "security through crippling the machine" feature.

I guess the Apple ads showing two guys holding hands aren't sad, but "funny".

Holding hands? I thought I had seem them all. Is this up at Apple's site with the rest?

I thought you said you could run three different operating systems simultaneously?

I do. Under Vista, only the high-priced versions allow you to use your full CPU power. Now, under WinXP Pro, I'm allowed to use two CPUs. But XP is so old, they never thought to limit it to 'number of cores'. So even though I have two CPU sockets, I have four processor cores and get the full power of all four. Clearly, Microsoft won't stand for any more of this. Also, Vista forbids and disallows virtualization except on the high-end versions. No proper VMware for you if you don't pay them to let you use your own Intel hardware. In fairness, Apple forbids you to virtualize their OS currently but it's widely expected they'll relax this to allow OS X to be virtual on OS X. (Which is pretty puny, I know)

Ever heard of "auto updates"?

Ever heard of "I don't trust them to have read access to my drives?" I also don't submit to warrantless searches. I'm so boring I don't have anything to hide. But I don't see any reason to constantly allow this creeping intrusion and datamining of my personal property.

I just got a sleek new HP Intel notebook with 15" monitor and DVD burner for $499. I can get an Apple for that?

I'm not interested in the bargain basement machines. You do get what you pay for in design, support, etc. And Apple's resale value often offsets their initial prices. I have been surprised how much old Apple machines bring on eBay.

Some people said the same about XP when it was released, yet 75% of the world's PC's now run it.

Actually, I think it's far more than that.

Most of his money has gone to save or extend lives.

That's why he's greeted in places like India by people dressed as human condoms? Oh.

So where's the love from Apple? Couldn't be because DRM isn't integrated could it?

Apple had to choose. The two processor roadmaps were clear: Intel was a clear winner for Apple and its users. AMD isn't a good option at present, no matter how much I have liked AMD in the past or admire their forthcoming designs.

No kidding, I used to be an Apple salesman, till they left me and my customers with an abandoned platform. They still haven't recovered and that was 20 years ago.

Have you heard of this thing they call OS X? What, you didn't think we still ran System 6 off floppies or something? Look, until OS X.2, you couldn't have paid me to take an Apple machine. I had a buddy with a number of them and I refused the offer. OS X was a major draw for me.

What did Melissa say to Bill on their honeymoon night? "I see why you called it Microsoft".

His marketing guys promptly FUDded her.
119 posted on 01/30/2007 5:53:18 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Golden Eagle
Some funny, and good replies there. I especially like the one about SP1 on the horizon. I wouldn't trust major software from any company that doesn't start working on the next update as soon as they're done with the current version (and sometimes even before).

Security and convenience are inversely proportional, Macs typically prompt the user including for passwords before making any significant changes as well.

In this case, it's in the way they do it. Vista's warnings pop up far too often, which will likely result in users just clicking OK out of habit. They are also often not very descriptive, and they are absolutely modal -- no getting anything done until you take care of that box. OS X's warnings don't come up quite so often, are non-modal, and they clearly explain what's happening.

145 posted on 01/31/2007 7:59:01 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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