[Swordmaker]

Compared with Mac OS X 10.4, Windows Vista feels clunky and not very intuitive, almost as though it's still based on DOS (or at least the internal logic that made up DOS).

Another PC source heard from!

[Swordmaker]

CNET Editors Review of Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate conclusion:

"Compared with Mac OS X 10.4, Windows Vista feels clunky and not very intuitive, almost as though it's still based on DOS (or at least the internal logic that made up DOS)."

PING!

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[Echo Talon]

Can't run a Dual-Core Opteron on OS X 10.4 and you can't overclock it either... I have mine with Vista overclocked @2.75GHZ(@ default voltage)... with the memory running at DDR500 ;)

It's an old PC, the $200 processor+heatsink has given this "old-system" new life. :)

[Echo Talon]

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[Dallas59]

"Windows Vista is essentially warmed-over Windows XP. If you're currently happy with Windows XP SP2, we see no compelling reason to upgrade."

Ok.

[snowsislander]

Under the hood, Microsoft has moved device drivers for DVD burners and printers out of the system kernel; ...

That's a good decision on the part of Microsoft.

MINIX3 takes that idea to the point of having only 4,000 lines of code running in kernel mode:

MINIX 3 is a new open-source operating system designed to be highly reliable, flexible, and secure. It is loosely based somewhat on previous versions of MINIX, but is fundamentally different in many key ways. MINIX 1 and 2 were intended as teaching tools; MINIX 3 adds the new goal of being usable as a serious system on resource-limited and embedded computers and for applications requiring high reliability

This new OS is extremely small, with the part that runs in kernel mode under 4000 lines of executable code. The parts that run in user mode are divided into small modules, well insulated from one another. For example, each device driver runs as a separate user-mode process so a bug in a driver (by far the biggest source of bugs in any operating system), cannot bring down the entire OS. In fact, most of the time when a driver crashes it is automatically replaced without requiring any user intervention, without requiring rebooting, and without affecting running programs. These features, the tiny amount of kernel code, and other aspects greatly enhance system reliability.

[Glenn]

Vista will have to wait until our corporate gurus give it the okay. They like XP for now. I hope security is what it is claimed to be, and that Microsoft's vision for it doesn't turn Vista into a crawllng slug.

I'm waiting at home this morning for the delivery of a new T60p Thinkpad. I was going to refresh my Mac laptop, but I am doing too much .NET R&D these days to take advantage of OS X. The SP1 for VS2005 is optimized for dual cores. I hope the T60p does right by it.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Perhaps we're spoiled, but after more than five years of development, there's a definite "Is that all?" feeling about Windows Vista.

Well, it wasn't all, until Microsoft started dumping features to make the deadline. Vista is where I get off the Microsoft train - all my future computers will be Macs. I'll use the XP machines I have until they fall apart, but they won't support Vista well and I don't intend to add any more hardware upgrades. I'll just turn them into Linux servers when the time is right. ;)

[CharlesWayneCT]

They gave it a 7.8 out of 10. You have to wonder how bad it would have to be to actually get a "poor" rating.

Maybe "very good" is relative -- "Well guys, yes, it sucks, it's a piece of crap, it has nothing new of value, and they've actually made some things worse. But what did you expect, it is from Microsoft, at least it doesn't crash twice a day!!!"

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Don't forget that Vista has very limited driver support. So, if you love your old printer, and upgraded your PC to take Vista's bloatware (the OS is over 8 Gig in size), your favorite printer may not work.

Its nothing new. Like the Zune, its clunky, 5 years too late and not innovative.

[Tribune7]

That is one seriously lukewarm reveiw.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

For Connected, Microsoft points to the new peer-to-peer possibilities, some of which are the result of its acquisition of Groove several years ago.

Ray Ozzie: the biggest douchebag on Planet Earth.

[Porterville]

I like Microsoft. Linux is too lean and Macintosh feels like I'm in a tin can with a bunch of flaming homosexuals on mushrooms throwing pink flowers.

Microsoft feels robust, solid, and professional.

[IrishCatholic]

bookmark to show IT person (wife)

[goldstategop]

Microsoft f*cked up Vista beyond recognition and after six years of development, didn't produce the clean, next-generation operating system people were anticipating. Microsoft Office 2007 is a heck of a lot better than Vista. A pity the software giant couldn't get Vista right on the first try.

[antiRepublicrat]

Windows Vista is essentially warmed-over Windows XP.

Back to the subject, I don't really agree with that. I've been reading some technical articles on Vista. It isn't just the OS X wannabe shell that's new, there are a LOT of changes under the hood. From the rewritten network stack to reworked thread and I/O scheduling, there's quite a bit new under there.

The I/O is one of those "it's about time" things. That Explorer can hang to due accessing an unavailable network drive was about the stupidest thing. The new I/O priority should also stop a lot of annoyances.

Besides, if it's "warmed-over" anything, it's warmed-over Windows 2003 Server, not XP.