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3-year-old unnerves airline [Girl taken off flight for crying too much]
Telegram.com ^ | 01/21/07 | Dianne Williamson

Posted on 01/22/2007 10:51:57 AM PST by MotleyGirl70

Meet Elly Kulesza, Terror Toddler.

In her finer moments—mainly when she’s on land — 3-year-old Elly is an adorable and sweet-mannered child, a blue-eyed charmer who likes to dance and harbors a particular fondness for Thomas the Tank Engine.

“She’s a typical 3-year-old,” said her mother, Julie Kulesza of 7 Primrose St. in Worcester. “She has her moments like all 3-year-olds, but she’s not like one of those ‘Nanny 911’ children you see on TV.”

Elly’s dad, Gerald Kulesza, is a full-time EMT in Boston who also attends nursing school full time, and he did so well last semester that Elly’s mom surprised her husband with a trip to Florida to visit his parents, who live in Bonita Springs. So on Jan. 11, the family flew from Logan Airport to Fort Meyers on AirTran Airways, and even though it was Elly’s first plane trip she behaved like a dream and spent most of the flight coloring in her coloring book and watching movies on a portable DVD player.

“She was great,” her mom remembered. “When we made our descent into Florida we could see the water and she shouted, ‘Look, mommy, there’s the beach where we go swimming,’ and everyone laughed.”

Yes, it was a heartwarming moment for all concerned, and the trip was great, too. The family swam and went sightseeing, and on Jan 14 they drove back to the airport for the return trip home. They checked their luggage — a suitcase and a car seat. As they waited for their flight to be called, Elly contentedly munched on a bag of Cheetos and watched out the window as the planes took off and landed.

Then came … The Boarding. Suddenly and without warning, angelic little Elly morphed into every parents’ nightmare.

Her mom thinks it may have been because of the ear surgery Elly underwent earlier this month, and perhaps her memory of the discomfort and ear pressure she endured during the plane’s descent into Florida. For whatever reason, when they got on the plane, Elly started to cry and wouldn’t stop. Nor would she sit down — she plopped herself down on the floor in front of her seat and proceeded to throw a temper tantrum.

“I was trying to console her and the stewardess came over and said, ‘Did you buy that seat for her?’ remembers Ms. Kulesza, 31, who is four months pregnant. “I said yes, and she told me my daughter needs to sit in it. I told her I was trying.”

Moments later, an AirTran Airways employee armed with a walkie-talkie addressed Mr. Kulesza.

“Sir, you need to get her under control,” she said.

“We’re trying,” Mr. Kulesza noted.

The passengers, meanwhile, were quite understanding and one of them offered the toddler a lollipop, which she rejected. Then the walkie-talkie woman returned to the Kuleszas’ aisle and displayed the raw tact and diplomacy of Donald Trump.

“Sir, you need to get off the plane,” she announced.

“What?” a stunned Mr. Kulesza asked. “Are you serious?”

“Sir, you need to get off the plane now.”

They got off the plane, while their luggage and car seat flew on to Boston. In the terminal they were directed to an AirTran supervisor, who told the couple that the stewardess was uncomfortable “because you have an unruly child who struck a woman on board.”

Mr. Kulesza was incredulous. “That was her mother,” he explained. “She hit her on the arm. Lady, this is a 3-year-old child we’re talking about.”

“Sir, we don’t differentiate between 3 and 33,” the AirTran supervisor replied. Mr. Kulesza said the woman proceeded to lecture him about child discipline, and how she would never tolerate her children behaving in such a manner, at which point Mr. Kulesza said, “You really need to stop talking now.”

The couple were also told that, since they had been ejected from the plane, they were banned from flying with AirTran for 24 hours. So they were forced to return to Bonita Springs for the night, and Mr. Kulesza missed a 16-hour work shift, and the next day they returned to the airport and can surely be forgiven if they fed their daughter enough Children’s Benadryl to fell a stallion. I exaggerate, perhaps, but it’s certainly what I would have done. In any case, Elly slept through the return flight home.

The incident has sparked varied responses from those who heard the story. While many people — mostly parents — sympathize with the Kuleszas, others are less inclined. For example, when I related the tale to an unnamed colleague and asked if he had ever heard of an airline bouncing a child from a flight he said, “No, but I’m all for it. Couldn’t they have checked her with the baggage?”

This colleague, as it happens, has no kids.

AirTran, meanwhile, has apparently had a change of heart. After the airline received a phone call Thursday from yours truly, an AirTran customer service rep called the Kuleszas, apologized profusely for the incident and refunded them the $595 cost of their tickets.

“We do believe the situation could have been handled differently,” said AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver. “We will use this case as a means to train our agents on dealing with this type of situation on our flights … While there are FAA regulations that mandate all passengers have to be securely fastened in their seat belts before a plane can depart, we need to work with our customers in situations like this to help them — and that is what we will focus on.”

Ms. Kulesza is appreciative of the response, but believes she could have calmed her daughter down, if given the chance.

“It wasn’t like she had a bomb strapped to her waist,” she noted.

AirTran also extended another offer to the Kuleszas — free airline tickets to the destination of their choosing. The offer has been declined.

“I said I appreciated it, but I told them not to bother,” Ms. Kulesza said. “We won’t ever be flying with that airline again.”


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: kidsonairplanes; travel
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To: clamper1797

I guess I should recognize it is YOU that this is about and others with crying children should consider YOU first when faced with these problems.


61 posted on 01/22/2007 12:23:51 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: clamper1797; HairOfTheDog

Not all grandparents can fly. Many are incapacitated.


62 posted on 01/22/2007 12:24:24 PM PST by elc (Guns kill people the same way the spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat.)
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To: Aggie Mama
My opinion, as one who has two crumb crunchers, is that I only get upset after it's obvious the parent has no intention of disciplining there "darling" or someone who never did discipline them. Thats when I loose all sympathy for the parents. I have flown with my kids and did everything possible to keep them quite. I think it was obvious from my actions that I was concerned.

I have however seen PLENTY of "parents" or people with kids who could care less what precious little johnny does..those of the ones I want to punch out...
63 posted on 01/22/2007 12:25:39 PM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: SF Republican
others with crying children should consider YOU first when faced with these problems.

Heaven forbid you would think of others ... that would be ... polite. Ah yes manners ... a concept obviously lost on some

64 posted on 01/22/2007 12:26:40 PM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Well we weren't there and probably don't know that the airline in fact didn't give them some time to calm the child.

You're right we weren't there, but from the story:

Ms. Kulesza is appreciative of the response, but believes she could have calmed her daughter down, if given the chance.

65 posted on 01/22/2007 12:26:43 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: elc

Well, good grief... We can narrow the parameters down if you want until we are arguing that it is of vital importance that all babies fly. The point is, when traveling with youngsters, it's possible they'll be asked to leave the plane if they can't handle it. Something to consider when deciding to plan a flight.


66 posted on 01/22/2007 12:27:14 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: conservativehusker

Agreed!


67 posted on 01/22/2007 12:27:17 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: clamper1797

I have sympathy for the airline, but also sympathy for the family. I usually offer to help a parent of an unhappy child first, before complaining. I had good kids, but kids are still kids and sometimes they cry and carry on.

We can't tell if this child was just spoiled, but really most probably just stressed. Sometimes there's just nothing to do but remove an out of control baby/toddler.
In any case, i understand the employees taking them off the flight, what were they to do?? Offend or enrage 157 other paying passengers? I think the parents ought to calm down and take the offering and forgive the airline.

As for the jacket story, I don't see how it's that airline's fault at all.


68 posted on 01/22/2007 12:27:36 PM PST by Shimmer128 (My beloved is mine and I am his. Song of Solomon 2:16)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

"Perhaps to make some of the asses on this thread happy we should have just left her in Africa after the job ended."

Fed Ex? Just cut some holes! ;-)


69 posted on 01/22/2007 12:28:16 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: gubamyster

Here again we just don't know what the parent considers to be, "given the chance".


70 posted on 01/22/2007 12:28:31 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: Aggie Mama

"Sometimes, even the best behaved children will act like children."

And as this thread shows, sometimes adults act like children too.


71 posted on 01/22/2007 12:29:12 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
According to the article, they didn't give them a chance to settle down the child:

Ms. Kulesza is appreciative of the response, but believes she could have calmed her daughter down, if given the chance.

72 posted on 01/22/2007 12:29:38 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: HairOfTheDog

You don't need to good grief me. You're the one making blanket statements.


73 posted on 01/22/2007 12:29:39 PM PST by elc (Guns kill people the same way the spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat.)
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To: elc

And why exactly would someone want to bring a 2-3 year old to see an incapacitated grandparent. But should it be necessary ... then so is the trip.


74 posted on 01/22/2007 12:30:05 PM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: clamper1797

So tell me, what would you do if you are two hours into 5 hour flight and your wife/husband/partner starts crying, screaming, gets sick, do you first consider the other 200 passengers? or do you try to do what you can to take care of the problem?


75 posted on 01/22/2007 12:31:16 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

I know there are some kids that just won't shut up no matter what parents do, but I think in 90% of cases, a kid who's ALWAYS crying and carrying on it can be traced to the parents.


76 posted on 01/22/2007 12:31:57 PM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Shimmer128
Do i think these parents and child should have been removed from the flight ... no

Do I think that parents should use SOME desecration before bringing a small (1-3) year old child on an airplane ... absolutely.

77 posted on 01/22/2007 12:32:54 PM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: MotleyGirl70
“It wasn’t like she had a bomb strapped to her waist,” she noted.

Mrs. Kuleszas should thank her lucky stars that she did not see fit to express that thought to the flight crew at any time.

We would be reading an entirely different story than the one above.

78 posted on 01/22/2007 12:33:18 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Fell deeds awake! For wrath! For ruin! For the red dawn!)
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To: Hoodlum91

Yep, our pediatrician told me to do that to my now 12 year old who was 1 1/2 at the time of her first plane trip. God Bless any doctor that tells me to dope up my kids.


79 posted on 01/22/2007 12:33:42 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you're standing outside the fire.)
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To: clamper1797

"Desecration" is what 1-3 year olds cause. I think you meant "discretion". :)


80 posted on 01/22/2007 12:34:08 PM PST by linda_22003
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