Posted on 12/13/2006 10:38:31 AM PST by Sonora
With China, and to a lesser extent Japan, you are probably correct. However, you have to look at Asia as a whole. When you do, you'll find that their per capita consumption is much higher. Besides, the Okinawans consume more soy per capita than any other people on earth and they have one of the highest life expectancies on earth. They also have the lowest incidence of hormone dependent cancers on earth. Twelve percent of their total diet is soy based. That's extremely high and they don't experience the other maladies your linked article blames on soy.
Most of what we consume is isolated soy protein. 90% of ISP is protein. What is it about the other 10% that bothers you?
The question is not about all the other good things in soy milk, but the effects of high loadings estrogenic compounds.
See my previous posts on phytoestrogen consumption and health. It is much to do about nothing.
Yup, and those threads are a lot more fun. :^)
I don't think the author of this article talked about "banning" soy; he recommends that people avoid soy. I think he may be on to something.
I was fed soy formula as a baby because I was allergic to milk and regular formula... I'm not allergic to milk anymore... Hmmm. weird..
"Just look at all those gay Chinese people out there. "
1,000,000,000+ people would seem to suggest at best an insignificant affect on reproductive capacity.
You know that Jonny Wurster kid, the kid that delivers papers in the neighborhood. He's a foreign kid. Some of the neighbors say he smokes crack, but I don't believe it.
Anyway, for his tenth birthday, all he wanted was a Burrow Owl. Kept bugging his old man. "Dad, get me a burrow owl. I'll never ask for anything else as long as I live." So the guy breaks down and buys him a burrow owl.
Anyway, 10:30, the other night, I go out in my yard, and there's the Wurster kid, looking up in the tree. I say, "What are you looking for?" He says "I'm looking for my burrow owl." I say, "Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick. Everybody knows the burrow owl lives. In a hole. In the ground. Why the hell do you think they call it a burrow owl, anyway?" Now Stuart, do you think a kid like that is going to know what the queers are doing to the soil?
I first became aware of this about ten years ago, the summer my oldest boy, Bill Jr. died. You know that carnival comes into town every year? Well this year they came through with a ride called The Mixer. The man said, "Keep your head, and arms, inside the Mixer at all times." But Bill Jr, he was a DAAAREDEVIL, just like his old man. He was leaning out saying "Hey everybody, Look at me! Look at me!" Pow! He was decapitated! They found his head over by the snow cone concession.
A few days after that, I open up the mail. And there's a pamphlet in there. From Pueblo, Colorado, and it's addressed to Bill, Jr. And it's entitled, "Do you know what the queers are doing to our soil?"
Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large US city, there's a big undeground homosexual population. Des Moines, Iowa, for an example. Look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart. You can't build on it; you can't grow anything in it. The government says it's due to poor farming. But I know what's really going on, Stuart. I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens. They're building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to God.
You know what, Stuart, I like you. You're not like the other people, here in this trailer park.
Beelzebubba (The Dead Milkmen)
That's not true. I know a gay man who had 3 children (who are now adults)before "coming out". One of the children is definitely gay, and another may be.
Whether it's nature or nurture I'm not sure.
What a bunch of BS. I've been eating soy products every day for years and I'm still a manly man. I could go on and on with how wrong this article is but I've been out shopping all day looking for outfits that don't make me look fat and I'm exhausted. So I fixed myself a pitcher of strawberry daquiris and I'm going to catch up on some episodes of Falcon Crest. Maybe after a good night of beauty sleep, I'll get up early tomorrow and go shoot me a deer.
Some of us are both, and the women in our lives thrive on it.
Or, maybe it's the high quantity of soy they consume. There is certainly a great deal of research showing that soy is effective at preventing cancer.
Endocrine disruptors are substances in food and the environment that affect the endocrine system
Sounds scary. Did you know that by your definition, chocolate, garlic, celery, coffee, grapefruit, tea, and cola are also endocrine disruptors since they have been shown to have antispermatogenic activity? As a matter of fact there are more than 300 plants, in 16 common families, that contain estrogens that may bind with receptors of humans or wildlife. Naturally occurring estrogens are rife in many cereals, legumes, fruits, and tubers. Our world is full of endocrine disrupters and we eat some of them every day in natural foods. Nature didn't design all these foods to be harmful to humans. This fear is irrational and is being fanned by people who don't understand human physiology. They abuse science to create alarm.
As I've said many times on this thread, saying that isoflavones are similar to estrogens is ridiculous. Isloflavones are tissue selective and can have estrogen-like effects in some tissue but either no effects or antiestrogenic effects in other tissues. They can attach to receptors but I have never seen any research that proves this is deleterious to human in any way. In fact, the research proves just the opposite is true.
I am most familiar with, the overuse of soy phytoestrogen surpressed the production and utilization of the thyroid hormone T3, resulting in a number of medical problems.
How do you define the overuse of soy? Are you aware that the overconsumption of most foods can be bad for you? For T3 to be inhibited in any way by soy, you'd have to consume isoflavones in absurd quantities. Overfeeding an ingredient to produce the desired results is a proven method for obtaining additional grant money to study the issue further.
A diet rich in soy products has not been shown to be harmful to the thyroid in Japanese research. In some very rare cases, endocrinologists will eliminate soy and cruciferous vegetables from their patient's diets as a preventive measure but I have never seen where they require the patient to totally eliminate fermented soy. In these very rare cases however, doctors will recommend soy foods rather than soy supplements.
But now you're talking about extremely rare cases where people are already suffering from an unhealthy thyroid. There is no legitimate research proving that soy causes thyroid malfunctions in healthy people. This is akin to claiming that sugar is dangerous because it is deleterious to people with diabetes. There is also no proof that a diet high in soy foods is detrimental to thyroid patients.
Oh. Of course. Your're right. I take back everything I know and averything that I said. You are right and I am wrong. Don't know how I had the unmitigated gall to have an opinion that differs from yours. Again, I apologize. I will never do it again, and I am putting myself in time-out as punishment. There. Feel better, big guy?
Yes, everything you've said is opinion and opinions differ. Unfortunately, you've been unable to support your opinions in any way. There's no need to apologize or beat yourself up over it. You're not the only person who believes in things they don't understand and and can't explain. Thankfully, the people who are responsible for regulating what we're allowed to eat are much more rational (and much less emotional) than you.
As always, you are so right. What do you know about irony?
ALERT! ALERT! Beer is enhancing men's breasts!
From a British Committee On Toxicity report:
4.42 In response to concerns raised by the Food Commission, the Food Standards Agency commissioned an analysis of the phytoestrogen content of a dietary supplement that is claimed to promote ‘natural breast enhancement’. ... the supplement was shown to contain 8-prenylnaringenin and possibly 6-prenylnaringenin, xanthohumol, isoxanthohumol and trace levels of glycitein. These phytoestrogens are found in hops, a stated ingredient on the supplement label (Coldham
& Sauer, 2001).
PHYTOESTROGENS >> HOPS >> BEER
PHYTOESTROGENS >> HOPS >> BREAST ENHANCEMENT SUPPLEMENT
The evidence is incontrovertible!! ;-)
He addresses this objection in his follow up article:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53425
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