Soy is making kids 'gay'

WorldNetDaily ^ | 12/12/06 | Jim Rutz

[Sonora]

There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular. Now, I'm a health-food guy, a fanatic who seldom allows anything into his kitchen unless it's organic. I state my bias here just so you'll know I'm not anti-health food.

The dangerous food I'm speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you're also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.

Estrogens are female hormones. If you're a woman, you're flooding your system with a substance it can't handle in surplus. If you're a man, you're suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your "female side," physically and mentally.

In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.

If you're a grownup, you're already developed, and you're able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren't so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby's endocrine system just can't cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.

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[Mase]

Asian consumption rates tends to be far lower.

With China, and to a lesser extent Japan, you are probably correct. However, you have to look at Asia as a whole. When you do, you'll find that their per capita consumption is much higher. Besides, the Okinawans consume more soy per capita than any other people on earth and they have one of the highest life expectancies on earth. They also have the lowest incidence of hormone dependent cancers on earth. Twelve percent of their total diet is soy based. That's extremely high and they don't experience the other maladies your linked article blames on soy.

Most of what we consume is isolated soy protein. 90% of ISP is protein. What is it about the other 10% that bothers you?

The question is not about all the other good things in soy milk, but the effects of high loadings estrogenic compounds.

See my previous posts on phytoestrogen consumption and health. It is much to do about nothing.

[Mase]

You have defended Walmart in the past, so we must be on the same page.

Yup, and those threads are a lot more fun. :^)

[utahagen]

I don't think the author of this article talked about "banning" soy; he recommends that people avoid soy. I think he may be on to something.

[ndt]

"Are our prisons filled with latent homosexuals or do people decide that they can engage in a certain sex act when they become desperate?"

Never been in prison myself, but my understanding it that it's not always optional.

[Echo Talon]

I was fed soy formula as a baby because I was allergic to milk and regular formula... I'm not allergic to milk anymore... Hmmm. weird..

[ndt]

"Just look at all those gay Chinese people out there. "

1,000,000,000+ people would seem to suggest at best an insignificant affect on reproductive capacity.

[Cogadh na Sith]

You know what, Stuart, I LIKE YOU. You're not like the other people, here, in the trailer park. Oh, don't go get me wrong. They're fine people, they're good Americans. But they're content to sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick back a cool, Coors 16-ouncer. They're good, fine people, Stuart. But they don't know ... what the queers are doing to the soil!

You know that Jonny Wurster kid, the kid that delivers papers in the neighborhood. He's a foreign kid. Some of the neighbors say he smokes crack, but I don't believe it.

Anyway, for his tenth birthday, all he wanted was a Burrow Owl. Kept bugging his old man. "Dad, get me a burrow owl. I'll never ask for anything else as long as I live." So the guy breaks down and buys him a burrow owl.

Anyway, 10:30, the other night, I go out in my yard, and there's the Wurster kid, looking up in the tree. I say, "What are you looking for?" He says "I'm looking for my burrow owl." I say, "Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick. Everybody knows the burrow owl lives. In a hole. In the ground. Why the hell do you think they call it a burrow owl, anyway?" Now Stuart, do you think a kid like that is going to know what the queers are doing to the soil?

I first became aware of this about ten years ago, the summer my oldest boy, Bill Jr. died. You know that carnival comes into town every year? Well this year they came through with a ride called The Mixer. The man said, "Keep your head, and arms, inside the Mixer at all times." But Bill Jr, he was a DAAAREDEVIL, just like his old man. He was leaning out saying "Hey everybody, Look at me! Look at me!" Pow! He was decapitated! They found his head over by the snow cone concession.

A few days after that, I open up the mail. And there's a pamphlet in there. From Pueblo, Colorado, and it's addressed to Bill, Jr. And it's entitled, "Do you know what the queers are doing to our soil?"

Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large US city, there's a big undeground homosexual population. Des Moines, Iowa, for an example. Look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart. You can't build on it; you can't grow anything in it. The government says it's due to poor farming. But I know what's really going on, Stuart. I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens. They're building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to God.

You know what, Stuart, I like you. You're not like the other people, here in this trailer park.

Beelzebubba (The Dead Milkmen)

[Amelia]

Besides, homosexuality would have to pass on the gene if it were a gene, and gays don't reproduce.

That's not true. I know a gay man who had 3 children (who are now adults)before "coming out". One of the children is definitely gay, and another may be.

Whether it's nature or nurture I'm not sure.

[SamAdams76]

What a bunch of BS. I've been eating soy products every day for years and I'm still a manly man. I could go on and on with how wrong this article is but I've been out shopping all day looking for outfits that don't make me look fat and I'm exhausted. So I fixed myself a pitcher of strawberry daquiris and I'm going to catch up on some episodes of Falcon Crest. Maybe after a good night of beauty sleep, I'll get up early tomorrow and go shoot me a deer.

[Jeff Chandler]

Technology has made it more important to be smart and patient, than strong and manly.

Some of us are both, and the women in our lives thrive on it.

[Mase]

First, it is my understanding that there is little red meat in the Okinawans diet, so perhaps that contributes to their relative cancer rates.

Or, maybe it's the high quantity of soy they consume. There is certainly a great deal of research showing that soy is effective at preventing cancer.

Endocrine disruptors are substances in food and the environment that affect the endocrine system

Sounds scary. Did you know that by your definition, chocolate, garlic, celery, coffee, grapefruit, tea, and cola are also endocrine disruptors since they have been shown to have antispermatogenic activity? As a matter of fact there are more than 300 plants, in 16 common families, that contain estrogens that may bind with receptors of humans or wildlife. Naturally occurring estrogens are rife in many cereals, legumes, fruits, and tubers. Our world is full of endocrine disrupters and we eat some of them every day in natural foods. Nature didn't design all these foods to be harmful to humans. This fear is irrational and is being fanned by people who don't understand human physiology. They abuse science to create alarm.

As I've said many times on this thread, saying that isoflavones are similar to estrogens is ridiculous. Isloflavones are tissue selective and can have estrogen-like effects in some tissue but either no effects or antiestrogenic effects in other tissues. They can attach to receptors but I have never seen any research that proves this is deleterious to human in any way. In fact, the research proves just the opposite is true.

I am most familiar with, the overuse of soy phytoestrogen surpressed the production and utilization of the thyroid hormone T3, resulting in a number of medical problems.

How do you define the overuse of soy? Are you aware that the overconsumption of most foods can be bad for you? For T3 to be inhibited in any way by soy, you'd have to consume isoflavones in absurd quantities. Overfeeding an ingredient to produce the desired results is a proven method for obtaining additional grant money to study the issue further.

A diet rich in soy products has not been shown to be harmful to the thyroid in Japanese research. In some very rare cases, endocrinologists will eliminate soy and cruciferous vegetables from their patient's diets as a preventive measure but I have never seen where they require the patient to totally eliminate fermented soy. In these very rare cases however, doctors will recommend soy foods rather than soy supplements.

But now you're talking about extremely rare cases where people are already suffering from an unhealthy thyroid. There is no legitimate research proving that soy causes thyroid malfunctions in healthy people. This is akin to claiming that sugar is dangerous because it is deleterious to people with diabetes. There is also no proof that a diet high in soy foods is detrimental to thyroid patients.

[3AngelaD]

Oh. Of course. Your're right. I take back everything I know and averything that I said. You are right and I am wrong. Don't know how I had the unmitigated gall to have an opinion that differs from yours. Again, I apologize. I will never do it again, and I am putting myself in time-out as punishment. There. Feel better, big guy?

[Mase]

Yes, everything you've said is opinion and opinions differ. Unfortunately, you've been unable to support your opinions in any way. There's no need to apologize or beat yourself up over it. You're not the only person who believes in things they don't understand and and can't explain. Thankfully, the people who are responsible for regulating what we're allowed to eat are much more rational (and much less emotional) than you.

[3AngelaD]

As always, you are so right. What do you know about irony?

[Mase]

Still trying to debate with feelings instead of facts, eh? Let me know when you get some facts. In the meantime, here's a little something to help you with your mood swings.

[Tellurian]

ALERT! ALERT! Beer is enhancing men's breasts!

From a British Committee On Toxicity report:

4.42 In response to concerns raised by the Food Commission, the Food Standards Agency commissioned an analysis of the phytoestrogen content of a dietary supplement that is claimed to promote ‘natural breast enhancement’. ... the supplement was shown to contain 8-prenylnaringenin and possibly 6-prenylnaringenin, xanthohumol, isoxanthohumol and trace levels of glycitein. These phytoestrogens are found in hops, a stated ingredient on the supplement label (Coldham
& Sauer, 2001).

PHYTOESTROGENS >> HOPS >> BEER
PHYTOESTROGENS >> HOPS >> BREAST ENHANCEMENT SUPPLEMENT

The evidence is incontrovertible!! ;-)

[Pro-Bush]

KFC cooks in soy now. No more trans fats - Soy is now the norm in NYC.

[ROTB]

He addresses this objection in his follow up article:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53425