Posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
I've recently begun purchasing bulk .22 ammo and thought that Freeper input would once again be helpful in getting the most bang for my buck.
What do you recommend for .22 caliber ammunition?
What various grain do they come in? What brand of .22 is the most deadly?
She takes him out with a .30/06.
In terms of the story, a 'girlie' gun.
Depends in large part whether it's being used in a rifle or pistol-length barrel. The .22 long rifle cartridge develops its maximum velocity with a barrel length of 12-14 inches, but longer barrels are useful for reasons of legalities, longer sight radius, and other considerations. In general, I maintain largish stocks of .22 Long Rifle in three flavours: high-quality plated long rifle 40-grain solids, usually Remington *Golden Bullet*, 40-grain solid cheapie promotional/bulk loadings like the Remington *Thunderbolt* or Winchester *Wildcat*, and the CCI 36-grain *Stinger* hollowpoint as being potentially useful for defense in a handgun.
There's a reasonable opinion that a .22 solid is best for any defensive purpose in that the deepest possible penetration is required, and that terminal internal fragmentation and ricochet potential of the solid makes it the best choice for defensive purposes. That does not necessarily take into account muzzle contact use, nor multiple hits, very possible with the near-recoilless .22.
BTW: the common M2A1 *.50 caliber* ammo can rather neatly holds 5000 rounds of .22 Long Rifle ammo. The CCI Stingers are packed in a less-compact plactic box and considerably fewer of them will fit the same sized container.
Depends on such influences as the length of your barrel and the weight of the bullet you use. But this should give you some idea:
| CARTRIDGE | BULLET*(grains) | VELOCITY (FPS) (ENERGY [ft.lbs.]) | TRAJECTORY (200-yd. zero) | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Muzzle | 100 | 200 | 300 | 400 | 100 | 300 | 400 | ||
| .30-06 | 150 | 2910 (2820) | 2671 (2375) | 2444 (1989) | 2230 (1656) | 2030 (1373) | +1.7 | -7.6 | -22.1 |
| .30-06 | 165 | 2800 (2873) | 2573 (2426) | 2357 (2036) | 2151 (1696) | 1956 (1402) | +2.2 | -8.4 | -24.4 |
| .30-06 | 180 | 2700 (2910) | 2470 (2440) | 2250 (2020) | 2040 (1670) | 1850 (1360) | +2.4 | -9.3 | -27.0 |
| *Loads use "standard" bullets and are neither the most nor the least aerodynamic available in weight or caliber. Use of boattails and/or premium lines like Remington Extended Range, Winchester Supreme Silvertip and Federal Premium with Sierra boattails significantly affects ballistics and, depending on the cartridge chosen, would significantly narrow or widen any gaps. |
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I have a 22 inch barrel on my Savage 111F. All of the ammo I currently have is winchester super x. I have several boxes each of 150, 165, and 180. It doesn't say if the bullets are boat tails but they are soft point.
Another question if you don't mind. What is the typical powder load (graines) in these? It is not listed on the boxes or sites like Remington that I can find.
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W.D.M. "Karamojo" Bell was best known for his use of the .256 Rigby Flanged, better known in the US as the 7x57mm Mauser cartridge, probably in a custom rifle reworked for Bell by Fraser of Edinburgh.
Among other techniques, Bell sometimes stood on a ladder to get above the elephant grass where the tops of jumbos' heads were peaking up like islands in the sea. One bullet per *island* usually did the trick and the pachyderms never realized their brethren were hit.
If you shoot an elephant in the head and do not get into the brain, the only tissue destroyed is bone. And the result is a very annoyed elephant.
It depends a good deal on what critter you figure on shooting, but for deer I think I'd go with the 150 grain loads, and sight in at 25 yards. At that range, the point of impact will be very close to what it'll also be at about 250, the reason the Army uses 25-yard/1000 inch zeroing targets. You'll be about an inch or two high at 100 yards, and the point of impact may drop nearly that at 300, but it should certainly get you to the point where you can keep 5-shot groups within a six-inch circle at any distance from 25 to 300 yards, assuming you and your rifle can shoot that well, and your ammunition remains consistant. Not that for decades, the Army stuck with the 150-grain bullet for the .30-06, using the boattailed heavier 168 and 172 grain bullets for long-range [600-yard] match ammo and plunging fire from belt-fed machineguns.
But whether your individual rifle happens to perform best with 150, 165, or 180-grain bullets, I'd find out which and then stick with it- unless you get involved with bear or moose, or the like.
Another question if you don't mind. What is the typical powder load (graines) in these?
It varies with the manufacturer and bullet weight, of course. But my match load for my granddad's M1903 match Springfield [24-inch barrel] used around 55 grains of IMR 4350 powder behind a 155-grain Nosier hollowpoint boattail match bullet, at about for 2,700-2750 fps.
Again, Thanks!
Deadly? 22? If you shoot someone with a .22 and he finds out about it, he may be pissed!
The only way to do that in a caliber of that era that wasn't a 500 nitro express or a 375 H&H Magnum (IIRC those have both been around since Bell went hunting) is a shot thru the eye. Right. How big a target is the eye of an elephant? I doubt, too, that said eyeball would be holding perfectly still for that killing shot, huh? My point is that when the shot placement is perfect, so are the results. A lesson to be learned in the gentle art of personal combat in self defense.
Isn't it funny how the gun grabbers are also the most ignorant of history? Most all pistols of that era with that action were labeled automatic. In fact it was pretty common usage. Enough that when the machinegun came along the military took to using the term full automatic to describe sustained cyclic fire as opposed to continuous semi auto fire.
Very good and accurate info RE: post88.When I served in the Infantry in the early seventies,25 yards was the standard for qualification.The percieved accuracy was for 250 yards.An M-16 can shoot much farther with accuracy,providing the shooter has a good concept of adjusting for elevation and windage,which is an individual level of competance.As far as Remington ammo,I have many friends who are employed there,and most agree the quality is to be desired.Remington used to at one time sell misprint shotgun shells at a substantial discount,but the stories I would hear about them was not pretty.Misfires were common.I use other types and makes for my personal weapons,but I will buy Remington ammo for the kids to plink away with.I do like their guns though,but Reminton has fallen on some hard times as of late.They are located in Ilion,NY[one branch]so I can see their predicament.NY is not gun friendly as we all know.
LOL! If only the same thing could be applied...with the same results by the Republicans to the unfortunate loss of Congressional control. I think those "Elephants" are a bit easier to defeat. Sometimes I think the symbol for the party should be a rabbit....However the Dems symbol is perfect.....
Absolutely correct on all counts. That's why the 22LR is perhaps one of the most used and most effective weapon of the professional assassin. Used in conjunction with a hushpuppy or suppressor and subsonic ammo, it's almost utterly silent. But proper shot placement is critical. Base of the skull from the back; through an eye from the front; or bottom of the earlobe from the flanks.
A .22 will certainly kill you even if you're gut shot. It will just take quite awhile, be incredibly painful and you might not be even partially incapacitated. Therefore, you need not die alone. Therein lies the real lesson.
That kind of ignorance gets people hurt. .22 cal is actually a preferred weapon by hit men - shoot someone in the head with it and the bullet tends to bounce around inside the skull.
ANY projectile can be lethal.
the only aguilla i'd buy is their colibri ammo. shoots really slow, its very quiet, and you can shoot it anywhere.
if you're considering subsonic ammo, i hope you're planning on using it in a manual feeding gun (pump, bolt, lever, etc) because most semi-autos won't cycle subsonic rounds without modification.
gotta watch the bulk stuff you buy tho. the federal bulk packs is really hit or miss for quality. i went thru a number of boxes that was very good, but occasionally i'd hit a box that was junk.
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