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Global Warming Of The Future Is Projected By Ancient Carbon Emissions
Terra Daily ^ | 12/08/2006 | Staff Writers

Posted on 12/08/2006 3:09:43 PM PST by cogitator

Global warming 55 million years ago suggests a high climate sensitivity to carbon dioxide, according to research led by Mark Pagani, associate professor of geology and geophysics at Yale and published in the December 8 issue of Science. For some years, scientists have known that a massive release of carbon into the atmosphere caused the ancient global warming event known as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) that began about 55 million years ago.

The geologic record shows that the resulting greenhouse effect heated the planet as a whole by about 9 F (5 C), in less than 10,000 years.

That temperature increase lasted about 170,000 years, altered the world's rainfall patterns, made the oceans acidic, affected plant and animal life in the seas and on land, and spawned the rise of our modern primate ancestors.

"The PETM is a stunning example of carbon dioxide-induced global warming and stands in contrast to critics who argue that the Earth's temperature is insensitive to increases in carbon dioxide," said Pagani. "Not only did the Earth warm by at least 9F (5C), but it did so during a time when Earth's average temperature was already 9F warmer than today."

However, what has not been clear is how much carbon was responsible for the temperature increase and where it came from. Scientists have speculated that it might have come from massive fires from burning coal and other ancient plant material, or from 'burps' of methane from the continental shelves that rapidly became atmospheric carbon dioxide.

"According to this work, if the PETM was caused by the burning of plant material then climate sensitivity to carbon dioxide is more than 4.5F (2.5C) per carbon dioxide doubling. And if methane was the culprit, then Earth's climate must be extremely sensitive to carbon dioxide - increasing, over 10F (5.6C) per carbon dioxide doubling," noted Pagani.

This finding contradicts the position held by many climate-change skeptics that the Earth's climate is resilient to such carbon dioxide emissions and suggests that Earth's temperature will rise substantially with atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations that are expected to double around mid-century.

"The last time carbon was emitted to the atmosphere on the scale of what we are doing today, there were winners and losers," remarked Ken Caldeira, a co-author from the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology. "There was ecological devastation, but new species rose from the ashes. Our work provides even more incentive to develop the clean energy sources that can provide for economic growth and development without risking the natural world that is our endowment."

Other authors on the paper include David Archer in the Department of Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, and James C. Zachos in the Earth Sciences Department, University of California, Santa Cruz. Citation: Science: (December 8, 2006).


TOPICS: Education; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: carbon; climate; climatechange; emissions; eocene; globalwarminghoax; paleocene; petm; sensitivity
This is actually a pretty important paper. The main problem is that the Earth was considerably different 55 million years ago than today, so exact analogies between the PETM and the modern era can't be made. But the PETM process is the closest natural example similar to the increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations now, so this sensivity has to be considered in projections of future climate change.
1 posted on 12/08/2006 3:09:46 PM PST by cogitator
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To: DaveLoneRanger

** ping **


2 posted on 12/08/2006 3:10:06 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Interesting picture/story from Newsweak 1975.


http://weblog.theviewfromthecore.com/TheBlogFromTheCore20060428Lg.jpg


3 posted on 12/08/2006 3:12:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cogitator
Global warming is occurring on Mars. There are no SUVs, no BIG OIL, no power plants, no etc. on Mars.

Do the math.

4 posted on 12/08/2006 3:13:37 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: cogitator
However, what has not been clear is how much carbon was responsible for the temperature increase and where it came from.

That speaks volumes about this junk science.
5 posted on 12/08/2006 3:16:10 PM PST by Jaysun (Let's not ruin this moment with words.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Let's not forget global warming on Pluto.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html


6 posted on 12/08/2006 3:17:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek
I remember this very clearly when I was a kid. The impending ICE AGE (insert shrieks of horror here). Here's the jpg so you don't have to click, using more energy to propel your finger, causing massive global warming (barf) :


7 posted on 12/08/2006 3:17:44 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: cripplecreek

The nut-jobs will just claim that Pluto is no longer a planet so it doesn't count...


8 posted on 12/08/2006 3:19:36 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

LOL I was thinking the exact same thing. Mars is an endangered species.


9 posted on 12/08/2006 3:22:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Global warming is occurring on Mars.

Not in the same sense that it is occurring on Earth.

Global warming on Mars?

"Thus inferring global warming from a 3 Martian year regional trend is unwarranted. The observed regional changes in south polar ice cover are almost certainly due to a regional climate transition, not a global phenomenon, and are demonstrably unrelated to external forcing. There is a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth..."

10 posted on 12/08/2006 3:27:35 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cripplecreek
There are a lot of reasons that this overhyped erroneous conclusion of the media was an overshoot of what the scientists were saying at the time. Yes, there was a slight cooling trend; yes, sulfur emissions were probably involved. But there are no truly scientific predictions of a significant cooling trend from the 1970s; the models were still way too crude. (References available on request)
11 posted on 12/08/2006 3:29:42 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
"Not only did the Earth warm by at least 9F (5C), but it did so during a time when Earth's average temperature was already 9F warmer than today."

it was 9 degrees warmer than now and it warmed an additional 9 degrees ? that flinstone car was really a belcher...

my head is about to explode with all this stuff.

too cold ? global warming !
too hot ? global warming !
just right ? global warming !
too many hurricanes ? global warming !
no hurricanes ? global warming !
El Nino ? global warming !
no El Nino ? global warming !

no wonder freaking Al Gore said the debate is over...he has all sides covered.
12 posted on 12/08/2006 3:30:24 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: cripplecreek; 69ConvertibleFirebird
From the article:

"The increasing temperatures are more likely explained by two simple facts: Pluto's highly elliptical orbit significantly changes the planet's distance from the Sun during its long "year," which lasts 248 Earth years; and unlike most of the planets, Pluto's axis is nearly in line with the orbital plane, tipped 122 degrees. Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees. Though Pluto was closest to the Sun in 1989, a warming trend 13 years later does not surprise David Tholen, a University of Hawaii astronomer involved in the discovery. "It takes time for materials to warm up and cool off, which is why the hottest part of the day on Earth is usually around 2 or 3 p.m. rather than local noon," Tholen said. "This warming trend on Pluto could easily last for another 13 years."

... So it's unrelated to either solar activity or the Earth's carbon cycle, the latter being a rather obvious conclusion.

13 posted on 12/08/2006 3:31:46 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Actually I'm more interested in the reasons for these overhyped erroneous conclusions of today.


14 posted on 12/08/2006 3:33:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without winning is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cogitator
Plants love CO2, wonder why it's now a noxious greenhouse gas. The world would cease to exist without it. Personally, I think the Alar hoax was much better thought out.
15 posted on 12/08/2006 3:35:05 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: cogitator

LOL!!! They claim that the warming on Mars has been for three years so doesn't count. The point is that planets go through cycles of warming/cooling WITHOUT human influence. That the writer agrees that Mars has been warming for the past three years makes my point.


16 posted on 12/08/2006 3:40:22 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: cogitator

"The geologic record shows that the resulting greenhouse effect heated the planet as a whole by about 9 F (5 C), in less than 10,000 years."


Ten thousand years for a 5 C increase. This article says temps will rise by 4.5 C in the next 100 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/10/nclimate10.xml



17 posted on 12/11/2006 4:32:00 PM PST by chessplayer
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