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I need help on OJ's case
11/22/2006 | color_tear

Posted on 11/22/2006 12:12:09 PM PST by color_tear

I need freeper's help on this matter. I heard many conservative talk show hosts believe that OJ is guilty of murder. Does it mean non of them believe our court system? OJ was found not guilty by 12 peers. It was not a mistrial. There was no appeal to the case. I understand he was found guilty in the civil case. I've never seen any company ask about civil lawsuits in their new employee questionnaire. My question: "How do those hosts know OJ is guilty?" I do not believe any one of those hosts was in that courtroom through the whole trial but those jurors were. I don't believe any one of those hosts studied the whole court record (transcribe), those 12 people did. I'm so confused . Where is the "reasonable doubt"? Where is the "defendent does not have to prove innocent?" I love our system but seems like most conservatives do not believe it. They are willing to condemn a person without thorough study. They do not believe their peers. I heard many times that people say most WHITE people believe OJ is gulity but I've never believed it. To tell the truth, I start having doubt now. Al Sharpton made a most outragious racist statement yesterday about Letterman show, come to think of it, he probably knows something I don't. My freeper friends, help me to understand.


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To: ErnBatavia

LOL!!


121 posted on 11/22/2006 2:15:01 PM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: color_tear
Who is saying we don't believe in it?

We are saying it's not perfect.

Are you serious?

122 posted on 11/22/2006 2:16:14 PM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Beyond a reasonable doubt.....doesn't mean what I think you think it means........

FWIW-

123 posted on 11/22/2006 2:17:20 PM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: buck61
Thank the Lord we now have DNA testing. How many innocent people have been sent to death by biased jurors and, how many guilty have been set free by these jurors?

Absolutely. At the time of the OJ trial I despised Barry Scheck for his work on OJ's defense, but the work he's done with the Innocence Project through DNA tests to free unjustly convicted people is undoubtedly a good and great thing. Also, DNA testing is finding and helping to convict murderers and rapists who would otherwise have gotten away with it.
124 posted on 11/22/2006 2:23:24 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: color_tear

What otherwise uninhabited isle have you dwelt upon these last years?


125 posted on 11/22/2006 2:26:34 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: dead
Where is the "defendent does not have to prove innocent?"

The concept of "innocent until proven guilty" binds the courts.

It does not in any way affect public opinion, personal opinion, or common sense.

Or transform reality.

126 posted on 11/22/2006 2:28:40 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: MplsSteve

Around the time the OJ verdict came down I remember there was a whole group of trials around the country that seemed to indicate that no jury with a black member would ever again convict a black defendant of anything, even heinous crimes against other blacks. Fortunately that trend seems to have evaporated over the following year.


127 posted on 11/22/2006 2:38:06 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Albion Wilde

"What do you mean by "stunt"?"

The 'stunt' was Marcia Clark's smarmy smile which quickly turned to crap, when, because she didn't do her homework, discovered a well known fact...leather shrinks when drying.

Haven't you ever put on leather work gloves, gotten them wet and tried to put them on again. They are smaller. Good leather shrinks even more.


128 posted on 11/22/2006 3:27:46 PM PST by lawdude (The dems see Wal-Mart as a bigger threat to the US than muslim terrorists)
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To: traditional1

"...and guilt was not an issue."

When the jury was polled after the decision, a couple said they had decided to vote "Not Guilty" when chosen. Let a white person make that statement in the reverse situation and you have RODNEY KING!!!


129 posted on 11/22/2006 3:30:24 PM PST by lawdude (The dems see Wal-Mart as a bigger threat to the US than muslim terrorists)
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To: graf008
But I'd rather have the man have the taint of a "Not Proven" verdict than being able to clamour on that he is "Innocent" because he is "Not Guilty"....

So the state should have the power to "taint" somebody, even if they can't prove the case?

130 posted on 11/22/2006 3:34:46 PM PST by bondjamesbond (We just got dumped. Either McCain or Giuliani is our Rebound Guy. Let's not marry the Rebound Guy.)
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To: color_tear

Are you so silly that you think the law and justice are the same thing?


131 posted on 11/22/2006 3:38:05 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (We are at war - Man up or Shut up.)
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To: lawdude
"Let a white person make that statement in the reverse situation and you have RODNEY KING!!! "

Now THERE'S a gem...."we don't like the verdict, so we're gonna burn the town"...and they did! They burnt down East L.A., and police stood back and let it happen. Very few arrests, and the Reginald Denny assault was white-washed, and never prosecuted as a hate crime.

So long as this country allows Blacks to use the "racist" defense for everything from purse-snatching to murder, we have NO Justice System.

132 posted on 11/22/2006 3:42:48 PM PST by traditional1
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To: lawdude
The 'stunt' was Marcia Clark's smarmy smile which quickly turned to crap, when, because she didn't do her homework, discovered a well known fact...leather shrinks when drying. Haven't you ever put on leather work gloves, gotten them wet and tried to put them on again. They are smaller. Good leather shrinks even more.

I have indeed; see post 62. I guess I misread your remarks. You and I agree that the prosecution failed critically on Marcia Clark's inept handling of the glove evidence.

133 posted on 11/22/2006 4:30:37 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Osage Orange
Beyond a reasonable doubt.....doesn't mean what I think you think it means........

And unless you share what you think I think, we wont know...

134 posted on 11/22/2006 6:49:16 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Osage Orange

Please educate me. Thanks!

Civil court jury:
1 Asian, black mixed male
5 white females
3 white males
1 Middle Eastern male
1 Hispanic female

So those black jurors were intimitated by rest of jurors to vote "GUILTY"? Is that the case? anybody has the insight?
Many of you have the insight of criminal court why not civil court?

Sorry friends, I'm still have questions.


135 posted on 11/22/2006 6:56:50 PM PST by color_tear
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To: TWfromTEXAS

I don't think the law and justice are the same. I just have questions how come people without examing the defence arguments closely can condemn the defendent.
What I believe is Jurors had to look into the defence's arguments very closely but most of us, watched it on TV did not.
Mark Simone asked one of his audience "How do you explain the blood on OJ's socks, etc...?" This is the most ridiculous question I've ever heard. I think that's what happen here. How can we answer that? The answer is in defence arguments but we don't want to study it.
Sorry sir, I've questions. Please educate me.


136 posted on 11/22/2006 7:09:51 PM PST by color_tear
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To: color_tear
I do not intend to debate the OJ trial. Your question was do those of us who believe OJ guilty, and I do, not believe in the jury system. It's like asking if we support the Republic even though our dumb a$$ neighbors just elected a bunch of spineless, leftest, wimps to run the place.

OJ had no more chance of being convicted by that jury in that jurisdiction, than a Mississippi Sheriff in the 50's had after shooting a black share cropper.

137 posted on 11/22/2006 7:23:17 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (We are at war - Man up or Shut up.)
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To: color_tear

The jury let OJ off the hook to keep the gangs and others of their ilk from rioting and burning LA to the ground.


138 posted on 11/22/2006 9:51:21 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (California : home of the fruits, nuts and flakes.)
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To: color_tear
There was no appeal to the case.

There was an obvious appeal to race.

139 posted on 11/22/2006 9:54:57 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (Unite)
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To: AmericaUnited
Many appear to think that "reasonable" doubt over one small piece of "evidence" by itself is enough to claim the "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" cop-out...Therefore throwing the totality of the evidence away...and thus the case.

There were perhaps millions of people that laid "claim" to this wrong-headed "read" of the law...and the moronic single piece of evidence "If the glove don't fit, you can't convict" baloney.

FWIW-

140 posted on 11/23/2006 6:16:11 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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