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I need help on OJ's case
11/22/2006 | color_tear

Posted on 11/22/2006 12:12:09 PM PST by color_tear

I need freeper's help on this matter. I heard many conservative talk show hosts believe that OJ is guilty of murder. Does it mean non of them believe our court system? OJ was found not guilty by 12 peers. It was not a mistrial. There was no appeal to the case. I understand he was found guilty in the civil case. I've never seen any company ask about civil lawsuits in their new employee questionnaire. My question: "How do those hosts know OJ is guilty?" I do not believe any one of those hosts was in that courtroom through the whole trial but those jurors were. I don't believe any one of those hosts studied the whole court record (transcribe), those 12 people did. I'm so confused . Where is the "reasonable doubt"? Where is the "defendent does not have to prove innocent?" I love our system but seems like most conservatives do not believe it. They are willing to condemn a person without thorough study. They do not believe their peers. I heard many times that people say most WHITE people believe OJ is gulity but I've never believed it. To tell the truth, I start having doubt now. Al Sharpton made a most outragious racist statement yesterday about Letterman show, come to think of it, he probably knows something I don't. My freeper friends, help me to understand.


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To: Tall_Texan; color_tear
"Minority", in this case, means "racial minority" (i.e. non-white) than minority of jurors, meaning less than six. All 12 jurors were the same race as O.J., if I recall. This is a point for which many whites feel the verdict was unjust.

I would like to state that minority status has less to do with race than with culture. The legal system grew out of a long-established Western legal system going back, arguably, to the Hebrew Judges 5,000 years ago, or more recently, to King Arthur in England 1,000 years ago and the system of English common law which grew out of Arthurian precepts and which formed many of the bases of our legal system.

The one thing it is politically impossible to say in this country any more is that Western civilization was more advanced than any other, and this is because of the perception that it was race, not Judeo-Christianity, which made the difference. I believe it was the latter.

I believe that Christian teachings have ultimately been responsible for leading people of all races out of ignorance; and that those teachings have yet to accomplish their full flower in this or any society. He has "started a good work in us," but isn't done with us yet.

101 posted on 11/22/2006 1:16:20 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Tall_Texan

A quick google:

The Jury By Race: 9 Blacks, 1 Hispanics, 2 Whites
The Jury By Sex: 10 Women, 2 Men
The Jury By Education: 2 College Graduates, 9 High School Graduates, 1 Without Diploma

10 Dismissed Jurors:
3 black males
2 hispanic females
2 white females
1 white male
2 black females


102 posted on 11/22/2006 1:17:23 PM PST by color_tear
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To: John Lenin
Feminists/Lawyers are the reason why marriage is in a free fall.

I totally agree, and did a graduate thesis on that assertion.

103 posted on 11/22/2006 1:17:25 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Albion Wilde

Well, just darn! It won't work for me either. I'm new at this, so I must have done something wrong.


104 posted on 11/22/2006 1:18:04 PM PST by DejaJude
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To: DejaJude

Go to the site. Highlight the URL and copy it. Paste it into a reply, without the html tags. See if that works.


105 posted on 11/22/2006 1:20:07 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: color_tear
I heard many conservative talk show hosts believe that OJ is guilty of murder. Does it mean non of them believe our court system? OJ was found not guilty by 12 peers.

It is all a matter of semantics.

You are using the word "guilty" to mean "convicted of that crime in crimminal court". In that sense, you are correct and O.J. is "not guilty".

The talk show hosts are using the word "guilty" to mean "I believe he committed that crime" which might be sloppy use of the legal language but is their right under the First Amendment.

One thing you should keep in mind about the U.S. legal system is jury nullification which means that a jury can be shown indidputable proof of a certain crime and the jury can then totally ignore the evidence and totally ignore the law and reach a wrong verdict that even they know is wrong if they so please.

106 posted on 11/22/2006 1:24:08 PM PST by Polybius
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To: color_tear

Not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent.


107 posted on 11/22/2006 1:26:23 PM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: color_tear

Yes, you are confused.


108 posted on 11/22/2006 1:27:13 PM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: color_tear

The evidence that O.J. Simpson killed Ron and Nicole could not have been any more damning than it was.

Black people in this country, and on that jury, "nullified" the obvious, evidence that clearly showed O.J. was the murderer, to let "one of their own" off the hook.

Sticking it to the man.

The later discovery during the civil trial of O.J. wearing size 11 Bruno Magli shoes, of which only one pair was sold in California, to him, with the bloody footprints all over Nicole's sidewalks and driveway were the final 100% seal of his guilt.


109 posted on 11/22/2006 1:30:15 PM PST by motife
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To: color_tear

btw, 11 of the 12 jurors who nullified the clear, indisputable facts that O.J. is a murderer were black. The one white person suffered from the Swedish hostage neurosis.


110 posted on 11/22/2006 1:32:42 PM PST by motife
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To: Albion Wilde
I had typed it wrong. Trying again.

(The Incriminating Evidence)

111 posted on 11/22/2006 1:32:42 PM PST by DejaJude
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To: color_tear
About the Simpson Jury...
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Jurypage.html

You had a racially prejudiced jury, combined with the utter incompetence of Judge Ito, Gil Garcetti, Marcia Clark and Chris Darden.

As for the jury, the 2 white ladies that initially (and correctly) voted guilty were bullied and threatened by the 9 blacks on the jury to change their vote.

Unfortunately, the bastard can't be retried...
112 posted on 11/22/2006 1:42:00 PM PST by rock_lobsta (Offending liberals since 1993)
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To: rock_lobsta

"the 2 white ladies that initially (and correctly) voted guilty were bullied and threatened by the 9 blacks on the jury to change their vote."
*** Is it a fact or just hearsay? Any link? Thanks!


113 posted on 11/22/2006 1:51:50 PM PST by color_tear
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To: ErnBatavia
"DNA don't mean nuffin...lotsa peoples gots the same blood type": "

Some other facts about the final jury: (1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows, (2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, (3) all were Democrats, (4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police, (5) nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.

Jury makeup:

9 Blacks

1 Hispanic

2 Whites

Including:

10 women

2 men.

114 posted on 11/22/2006 1:52:33 PM PST by traditional1
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To: MortMan

I did not say he is innocent. My original post I said "I don't know if he killed those two people or not." But I know he is "NOT GUILTY".


115 posted on 11/22/2006 1:56:05 PM PST by color_tear
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To: lawdude
"If that is taken as a racist comment, so be it. It is a fact"

Let me be the first (I think) to applaud your candor. The verdict PURELY was racist on its face.

The jury was selected by consultants, and from the composition of the Jury, one can easily expect that a celebrity, black, prosecuted by a White lead prosecutor, would NOT be convicted no matter how overwhelming the evidence.

The jurors were making a social statement (as so many cases now become), and guilt was not an issue.

116 posted on 11/22/2006 1:56:18 PM PST by traditional1
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To: OldFriend

Confused of what? Please educate me. I want to learn.


117 posted on 11/22/2006 1:57:52 PM PST by color_tear
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Thank the Lord we now have DNA testing.
How many innocent people have been sent to death by biased jurors and, how many guilty have been set free by these jurors?


118 posted on 11/22/2006 2:08:51 PM PST by buck61
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To: dighton

Money and fame played a great role in OJ getting off free.

I AM AN EVERYDAY JOE, AND I HAVE NOTICED IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY YOU GET ALL THE BREAKS.


119 posted on 11/22/2006 2:12:28 PM PST by buck61
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To: color_tear

You are joking, right?


120 posted on 11/22/2006 2:14:21 PM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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