Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson
What idiocy. Occasionally your posts used to contain some points of interest requiring a little thought to respond to. Now they are just stand-lite and devoid of any content.
Pretending that those who tried to DESTROY America were the true Americans is about as low as you can go though.
Oh, you must be confused don't you know he was just another HATER. Just ask stand and Tex they'll straighten you out. After all the TRUE Americans tried to destroy America in 1861.
I'll proudly stand next to The Rock as a Hater.
Which means that the southern volunteers for the Union army were an even more important segment of their society than their numbers would represent in the north.
As for your numbers about the draft, you cite a total just shy of 250,000 names drawn. Some paid a commutation, others hired a substitute. But let's assume that all of that number served. Out of a total for the Union army of 2.2 million men, they barely top ten percent. The rest were volunteers. By contrast, in the confederate army, according to the same source you cite, "Conscripts accounted for one-fourth to one-third of the Confederate armies east of the Mississippi between Apr. 1864 and early 1865. "
So, let's see. Huge numbers of southerners volunteered for the Union army--something like one southerner in ten who volunteered for service volunteered for the union. Southerners conscripted into the confederate army composed a much higher percentage of their soldiers than did conscripts to the Union army. The south was confronted with a homegrown guerilla movement in the Unionist areas, something the north never faced. And somehow you come to the conclusion that the north was vociferously opposed to the war.
The CSA had a DRAFT except for big slavers.
The New York rioters were the Democrat FRIENDS of the SOUTH.
But LIARS refuse to admit the truth.
Nice try, but your reputation for citing imaginary books is well known.
So, why doesn't the Library of Congress have "Yachts Against Subs" in its catalog? Why, in fact, can't any trace of that book be found?
So, if you hate the United States as it now exists so deeply, if you think that it's strayed so far from it's sacred and true character, why aren't you doing more about it? Why aren't you agitating on street corners? Why aren't you gathering followers and beginning a new rebellion?
My background is that of a southern man born and raised on the myth of the Noble Cause. It always fascinated me. Only after some years of study did it become evident that the South had been given a whitewash by the media (Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind being the most egregious examples) and that there was NOTHING noble about the cause. It was tyranny pure and simple.
Your research into the NY riots is incomplete. You should be aware that 1) the rioters were DEMOCRATS and friends of the South, 2) NYC was against the war from the beginning till the end, 3) the attack on the orphange did not result in any deaths through no fault of the rioters, 4) Republican homes and persons were attacked as well, 5) they were finally quelled (after RAT refusal) by Union forces fresh off the field at Gettysburg. These were the work of Fifth Columnists in league with the South.
As far as popularity goes, the Revolutionary War was just as unpopular as only about a third of the population supported it. But what does popularity have to do with protection of the Union which was under attack? It is also true that the South had a draft and that the war was not popular there either as the desertion figures show. However, I doubt your figure that 94% of those drafted hid out. I am sure some did but nothing close to 15 out of 16.
There should be some editors locked up today. I certainly have no problem with jailing treasonous editors or Congressmen in a time of war. Though "excommunication" was a bit beyond Lincoln's powers. I have no problem with ANY of Lincoln's actions defending this nation. God put him in place as leader at exactly the right time.
Our constitution does not define Union as do you. But since you don't understand it I am not surprised at you advertising your ignorance.
Patriotic Americans were those who fought the Slave Power's attempt to destroy American. Those are the ones YOU hate. Patriotic Americans are never to be found attacking Abraham Lincoln.
George Washington didn't think so:
"Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of american, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the Independence and Liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts, of common dangers, sufferings, and successes." Farewell Speech, 1796
face it, NOBODY believe you any more. we ALL see you as either a TROLL (who is here to cause discord) and/or a HATE-filled, PREJUDICED, DUNCE, who knows NOTHING, except how to PARROT the ARROGANT, KNOWING LIES of the radical/LEFTIST REVISIONISTS & how to HATE dixie & her wonderful people.
why not head over to DU to spread you GARBAGE & HATE-filled lies???
the TRUTH about the Draft Riots is that the rioters came from essentially every social/religious/immigrant group in the northeast. the rioters were no more likely to be Democrats than they were to be Germans or Methodists! ALL that the rioters had in common was that they were RACISTS & draft RESISTORS!
what you just can't accept (as It doesn't fit your PREJUDICES) is that our dixie ancestors were RIGHT & the unionists were WRONG & NOT on the side of FREEDOM. period. end of story!
laughing AT you, FOOL!
free dixie,sw
Over 100,000 white southerners remained loyal to the United States and joined its military forces to fight the RAT Rebellion. They joined despite the danger to their families subject to the Rebel Terror and themselves in just traveling to areas where they could join.
These are some of the greatest patriots of the era. Unionist areas of Tennessee and western Carolinas required Confederate forces to be close at hand to maintain CSA control.
George Washington's Farewell Address was devoted to warning of secession and against those who advocated such.
You don't even understand the use of the term "revisionist" as regards the Civil War. It actually is indentical with the crap you try and pass.
The rioters were Irish Democrats by and large organized by the friends of the South in NYC. This isn't even controversial except to loons.
Well, your opinion. And my History Degree is as valid as any.
There is something that I fail to understand with you:
Why is it that you cannot respect those who fought for the Confederate Cause, even though you don't agree with that cause? They were Americans as well, though their beliefs were different. There were plenty of Federals that were magnanimous enough to do so, and they had plenty of reason to hate, as they actually fought against the South. For example:
Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
US Grant
General Hancock
Rutherford Hayes
William McKinley
Just to name a few......
I don't mind YOUR posts until their content consists of everyone being called "traitor".......
"Tex" doesn't say any such thing. Read my previous posts regarding George Thomas.
I don't "hate" this country. As a conservative, I hate the result of "Abe's" actions. I DO, and always have advocated that every state has the right of secession, as a last resort. However, this country is what it is, right or wrong. My family and myself have always answered the call in every conflict since the WBTS, and will continue to do so.
I don't "hate" this country. As a conservative, I hate the result of "Abe's" actions. I DO, and always have advocated that every state has the right of secession, as a last resort. However, this country is what it is, right or wrong. My family and myself have always answered the call in every conflict since the WBTS, and will continue to do so.
But you said that the very notion of "an American nationalist is a contradiction in terms." How can you reconcile that sentiment with "this country is what it is, right or wrong"? It seems schizophrenic to, on the one hand deny the very notion of American nationalism (and by extension, an American nation), but at the same time to say "my country, right or wrong."
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