Typical of a socialist to ignore 2/3's of the definition. Which of the two parts of that definition in bold DON'T apply to the illegals? They are a cancer (hence the arguments, fights, marches by foreigners on our soil) on our society. And, they are clearly an encroachment and an intrusion.
They are not armed forces. They are not intending to conqur. It is not, on a large scale, harmful.
Twelve million or more is not a large scale? You have clearly shown your stripes and your purposeful ignorance. You are for illegals.
So you are thus incapable of demeaing blue collar workers? No, actually, you can still do that, regardless. Ever heard of the concept of self-lothing? You could be an outhouse cleaner for all I care, I know demeaning language when I see it.
Don't quit you day job. Your attempt at analysis is pathetic.
That said, we aren't discussing what to do with immigrants that are already here, that's a totally separate issue from guest workers, which need not be immigrants that have already come here illegally. If we are throwing around insults, anybody who graduated from the 4th grade would understand that.
Wait, I thought you were talking about a guest worker plan. Now you are not?
Pure socialist thinking again. Calling them immigrants when they are illegal aliens.
Immigrants who come and work cheaply create greater efficiency, which leads to greater output, which leads to greater wealth, etc. Don't believe me, believe Alan Greenspan who said this repeatedly.
Again. They are not immigrants they are illegal aliens.
I am not against legal immigration. Saying so is a blatant lie on your part. I offered you a proprosal here and you completely ignored it. Why? Does it not fit your demographic?
Twelve million or more is not a large scale? You have clearly shown your stripes and your purposeful ignorance. You are for illegals.
You obviously aren't interested in real discussion. You are purposefully taking my sentences out of context to try to 'win' the arguement.
I didn't say it wasn't large scale. Read the sentence. What I SAID was, by and large, it wasn't HARMFUL, which gets rid of #2 as well as corrects your reading comprehention problem that lead to your second paragraph. Yes, there are harms, but the economic benefits of immigration and the demographic benefits of immigration, illegal or legal, are greater then the costs.
That said, we would have a lot fewer unnecessary costs, which would be better for us as well as Mexico, if we could make sure the immigrants coming weren't criminals, if we made sure they had jobs, and it wouldn't threaten our rule of law, as I admit, having unenforcable laws does threaten our rule of law, if we allowed them to come here legally.
Wait, I thought you were talking about a guest worker plan. Now you are not?
For someone who attacks his opponent's reading comprehention, you sure seem to have a problem with it yourself. I was responding to YOU trying to change the topic from guest worker programs to 'Amnesty', which are separate issues. YOU did that, not me.
Pure socialist thinking again. Calling them immigrants when they are illegal aliens.
Even if they are illegal aliens, which again, YOU, not I, are changing the subject, AGAIN, they are still immigrants. That is why it's called illegal IMMIGRATION.
You continue to ignore my arguements and change the topic at every point. If it makes you feel good, great. It makes you look like a fool to everyone else.
If you are only against illegal immigrants, there is no reason for you to oppose a guest worker program, as that is allowing for more LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. Will it help you understand this incredibly simple concept if I repeat it 10 more times?
If you want to oppose a guest worker program, which is what this conversation started out to be about before you changed the topic, you can oppose it for a variety of reasons. What you cannot do, is oppose it because you oppose illegal immigration, because it would not be illegal immigration, but legal immigration.
I don't know how to make it simpler then that. I'm guessing you'll ignore what I'm saying and take my words out of context and continue rattling off something about illegal immigration or Amnesty. Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. But that won't stop you. You've got your mind made up, and you aren't letting facts get in your way.