Twelve million or more is not a large scale? You have clearly shown your stripes and your purposeful ignorance. You are for illegals.
You obviously aren't interested in real discussion. You are purposefully taking my sentences out of context to try to 'win' the arguement.
I didn't say it wasn't large scale. Read the sentence. What I SAID was, by and large, it wasn't HARMFUL, which gets rid of #2 as well as corrects your reading comprehention problem that lead to your second paragraph. Yes, there are harms, but the economic benefits of immigration and the demographic benefits of immigration, illegal or legal, are greater then the costs.
That said, we would have a lot fewer unnecessary costs, which would be better for us as well as Mexico, if we could make sure the immigrants coming weren't criminals, if we made sure they had jobs, and it wouldn't threaten our rule of law, as I admit, having unenforcable laws does threaten our rule of law, if we allowed them to come here legally.
Wait, I thought you were talking about a guest worker plan. Now you are not?
For someone who attacks his opponent's reading comprehention, you sure seem to have a problem with it yourself. I was responding to YOU trying to change the topic from guest worker programs to 'Amnesty', which are separate issues. YOU did that, not me.
Pure socialist thinking again. Calling them immigrants when they are illegal aliens.
Even if they are illegal aliens, which again, YOU, not I, are changing the subject, AGAIN, they are still immigrants. That is why it's called illegal IMMIGRATION.
You continue to ignore my arguements and change the topic at every point. If it makes you feel good, great. It makes you look like a fool to everyone else.
If you are only against illegal immigrants, there is no reason for you to oppose a guest worker program, as that is allowing for more LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. Will it help you understand this incredibly simple concept if I repeat it 10 more times?
If you want to oppose a guest worker program, which is what this conversation started out to be about before you changed the topic, you can oppose it for a variety of reasons. What you cannot do, is oppose it because you oppose illegal immigration, because it would not be illegal immigration, but legal immigration.
I don't know how to make it simpler then that. I'm guessing you'll ignore what I'm saying and take my words out of context and continue rattling off something about illegal immigration or Amnesty. Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. But that won't stop you. You've got your mind made up, and you aren't letting facts get in your way.
A very liberal way of thinking. That is a misuse of the term. Under the law they are illegal aliens. I know it's impossible for you to consider them illegals but that is the fact.
This is what you posted:
in·va·sion (n-vzhn) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "invasion" [P] n. 1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer. 2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease. 3. An intrusion or encroachment.
You only wanted to use one part of the definition and then you say "I didn't say it wasn't large scale. Read the sentence. What I SAID was, by and large, it wasn't HARMFUL, which gets rid of #2 as well as corrects your reading comprehention problem that lead to your second paragraph. Yes, there are harms, but the economic benefits of immigration and the demographic benefits of immigration, illegal or legal, are greater then the costs."
Talk about twisting words.
Not only that but there have been several studies which shows they are harmful. You just don't want to admit it.
Listen, you clearly are a socialist who doesn't believe in borders and you are not willing to speak honestly. Unless you call them illegal alien and not immigrants there is no point in continuing this. Your whole arguement is bases on a lie. And, if you are willing to lie to make your point it's a waste time.
Will you be confessing your sin of lying this Saturday when you go to confession?
"If you are only against illegal immigrants, there is no reason for you to oppose a guest worker program, as that is allowing for more LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL immigrants."
We already have a 'guest worker program', and aside from a North American Union/SPP, the whole reason the OBL supports 'comprehensive immigration reform' is to gain AMNESTY for the illegals AND their employers. So go ahead and make 40,000 illegal aliens our new LEGAL immigrants, but don't forget their family members, @ 4 x 40,0000 who will be welcome here as well....this is what you're asking for:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=roy+beck