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To: Mr. Silverback

Yes I can Silver- The early Jews were VERy sign oriented & comming off a total works based salvation- Christ's death did away with the law- but as you well know- people steeped in a works based salvation (ie: took pride in their own 'goodness' as a means of saving them) would have a VERY hard time believing that simple faith in Christ could save them. It was necessary for the message in the early days to show the authenticity of Christ's word by doing miracles. When it became apparent that the Jews would not (for the most part) accept Christ's salvation, God no longer used the miracles as verification and left them to their own sins 'for a time' - the bible talks about htis time and also talks about the end times when the Jews will see the light so to speak. It all boils down to faith now- God's message was originally for the Jews- they for the most part rejected it (although MANY Jews in the early days were saved, did view the miracles, and beleived.)


98 posted on 11/16/2006 4:03:30 PM PST by CottShop (http://sacredscoop.com)
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Wigglesworth- where are the accoutns in papers of these miraculous raisings by Wigglesworth- Death cirtificates and medical reports that it happened? Voodoo practicioners put people into death like states, then the people rise up some time later- charlatans- Sorry, but again- there is noone around today raising people from the dead- these raisings would NOT go unnoticed or reported in medical journals I'm afraid- and yes I have made the case- again- there are no raisings or regenerations of limbs happening today- none- Wigglesorth himself suffered stones, his wife died, his daughter was deaf etc. even though he supposedlky tried healing htem- I'm sorry, but hte apostles weren't stymied by cases- they healed all who were brought to them & they didn't demand money & stagger around as though drunk & yell & use violence as the modern day suppsoed healers do- Again- beleive what you will- not arguing this further-


99 posted on 11/16/2006 4:38:32 PM PST by CottShop (http://sacredscoop.com)
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To: CottShop
The early Jews were VERy sign oriented ....

Quite true, but a lot of the early church were NOT Jews.


 
 

NIV John 7:35
   The Jews said to one another, "Where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him? Will he go where our people live scattered among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks?
 

NIV Acts 11:19-20
 19.  Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews.
 20.  Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.
 

NIV Acts 17:2-4
 2.  As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,    (uh... what Elsie is trying to ;^)
 3.  explaining and proving that the Christ  had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, " he said.
 4.  Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women.
 

NIV Acts 17:17
   So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
 

NIV Acts 18:4
   Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:22-24
 22.  Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
 23.  but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
 24.  but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

106 posted on 11/17/2006 5:26:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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