Haggard stepping down amid gay affair inquiry

Denver Post ^ | 11-2-06 | Denver Post

[reagandemo]

I go to a "mega church" and I can tell you that mine, Southland Christian, is doing more out reach to the community local and international than just about any other church. Yes we have a big building but that's what it takes to hold all of us. Note that we have services on Friday night, Saturday and then 4 on Sunday to handle the crowds. Go to our website. That is when people are not hacking it and trying to destroy our message and see what we do. Quite amazing. Sad for this minister if true. Sad for his family and congregation. Everyone needs our prayers.

[SunnyUsa]

It's pretty disgusting news to wake up too...

The hypocrisy is mind-boggling that this religious leader of so many, father of five, husband can lead this double life.

Why do these people think they won't be found out?

the million dollar question I suppose

[twigs]

I agree with you. God disciplines his children. We live our lives in His name, and when His name is besmirched, He needs to reclaim the Truth of who He is. God loves Ted and will care for him. His family too, but they're going to need a lot of extra love and care from the body. They all need our prayers.

[Bainbridge]

Or entrap a man who was too full of himself to see it coming?
Really, folks- if he were innocent he would be emphatically decrying his accusers.
Did you notice he said he had never had a "relationship" ...Well now isn't that just like " I did not have sexual relations with that woman". Did he say "every word here is a brazen lie. All of it. Period. End of story." No, he did not. Be careful ,this does not look good.

[truthandlife]

You have to understand that we have all sinned and even a Pastor at some Mega Church is not perfect. Satan and his minions would love to see a guy like Ted Haggard fall because of how many he leads. We need to continue to pray for our pastors and leaders of the church. The only perfect person on this earth has been Jesus and payed the ultimate penalty, death, so we could be forgiven of our sins.

Here is some scripture that backs up "WE HAVE ALL SINNED"

(Romans 3:9-10) - "What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one."

(Romans 3:23) - "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

(Psalm 14:3) - "They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one."

[Bainbridge]

If something is "sprung" late in the game, it is not necessarily false. The opponent may simply be holding it for maximum effect.

[twigs]

where in the Bible do the terms "venial sin" and "mortal sin" appear?

It's not in the Bible; it's a Catholic tradition. My husband is Catholic; I'm not. We have heated--though friendly-- discussions over this a lot.

[HaveHadEnough]

What's a few thousand gay marriages compared to a families feelings.

What's the point of banning gay marriage if a woman in a straight marriage cannot expect that her husband of 27 years would not put her feelings above politics and do whatever he could to make things right with her.

She has the absolute right to say to him, "To hell with gay marriage, what about ours!?"

[joesbucks]

I agree with everything you say.....except with #3, whether it's a timed release or not, if the allegations are factual, then timing is of no import.

The use of the timing issue is simply to deflect from the potential facts of the matter.

Let the facts surface as quickly as possible. But #3 is nothing more than whining.

[Central Scrutiniser]

They think they won't find out because they know that their flock is usually ignorant and will continue to give them money.

Ask Paul Crouch or Jimmy Swaggart. I think its pretty funny, usually guys like this are completely in the closet and covering by pretending to be something else.

Another reason I don't give to charlatans.

[SunnyUsa]

No one is saying anyone is "perfect" - but the hypocrisy here is unbelievable considering his status and his involvement in keeping marriage sacred between a man and a woman.

I feel sorry for his family and all those who had respect for him - he's hurt alot of people.

this is a classic people who live in glass houses story.

[SunnyUsa]

It's shocking, but then it's not I suppose - I feel sorry for the families and people who believed in his words & leadership - it's a bitter pill for all of them - and maybe a wake up call.

[sitetest]

Prayers for Mr. Haggard, and one Catholic hoping he is an innocent man falsely accused.

[SunnyUsa]

exactly - and who can blame them - politics is a game.

[Central Scrutiniser]

Only shocking to those in denial.

These guys think they are king, and they have lots of followers who don't think or reason that just give them more power and money.

[Balding_Eagle]

Of course she does.

My point has been that he has an obligation to those who have supported the no gay marrage amendment here in CO. That obligation is (if this story is true, which I am doubtful of) to minimize the damage between now and next Tuesday.

[Mr. Silverback]

If something is "sprung" late in the game, it is not necessarily false. The opponent may simply be holding it for maximum effect.

I agree completely, I just think the evidence is pretty light and the accuser's behavior makes me suspicious. Of course, this morning my wife asked me about the case and while I was telling her the evidence it occurred to me that the guy could be holding on to the voice mails so he can get a book or TV deal.

[Dumb_Ox]

Or entrap a man who was too full of himself to see it coming?

Yep, the endeavor suggests organized dirt-digging too. Not that one should ignore dirt once dug.

[sine_nomine]

The president of the NAE.

[mel]

Yes we have all sinned, but not like this. This sin has made an impact on many people.