Now You Need Permission to Exit or Enter the Country?

November 2, 2006THE SOVEREIGN SOCIETY OFFSHORE A-LETTER November 2, 2006 Vol. 8 No. 219 ^ | November 2, 2006 | Mark Nestmann

[kinoxi]

You can always walk back in through Mexico.

[Just another Joe]

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Guess I better institute plan B.

[technomage]

Just fly into Canada or Mexico and walk back across!

[spintreebob]

"Close the Borders" is what was asked for. That is what is given. The assumption that government will do anything in a reasonable or effective manner is a false assumption. The assumption that BIG GOVERNMENT can solve our "border problem" is a false assumption.

I don't want my tax money financing that false assumption.

[TBP]

One of the articles on the front page of the website you liked to is:

We Don't Need No Stinkin' Tax Cuts
Chairman of The Sovereign Society, John Pugsley discusses why tax cuts ultimately hurt individuals, rather than help them.

[dfwgator]

I smell BS here.

[DanielKronlid]

That's an interesting and thought provoking article. I might not agree with him, but it was worth reading.

[SampleMan]

Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

They call it a Passport.

[traviskicks]

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Regardless, is this serious?

It doesn't sound good.

But then, the Patriot Act is constantly misrepresented by commie malcontents.

[gondramB]

>>Regardless, is this serious?

It doesn't sound good.

But then, the Patriot Act is constantly misrepresented by commie malcontents.<<

The source isn't worthy of being taken seriously but the issue is. Regardless of what people say about the CFR and the administration there is no plan to remove the borders. The plan, in fact, "strengthens" the borders by requiring a biometric ID to cross between Mexico, the U.S. and Canada in any direction.

This means that law abiding U.S. citizens could be forbidden to leave the country.

Of course, without securing the border in other ways, thius will mainly effect law abiding citizens not illegal aliens.

[TBP]

The plan, in fact, "strengthens" the borders by requiring a biometric ID to cross between Mexico, the U.S. and Canada in any direction.

Sounds like an invasion of our privacy. Wouldn't Hitler and Stalin have loved biometrics? (Not to mention the Klintoons.) A gerat way for the government to monitor our every move.

[383rr]

Kan I haff your papeeers, pleeze?

[TBP]

The plan, in fact, "strengthens" the borders by requiring a biometric ID to cross between Mexico, the U.S. and Canada in any direction.

IOW, this is what we're going to do instead of border control.

[gondramB]

>>Sounds like an invasion of our privacy. Wouldn't Hitler and Stalin have loved biometrics? (Not to mention the Klintoons.) A gerat way for the government to monitor our every move.<<

>>IOW, this is what we're going to do instead of border control.<<

1. I think it is wrong for a government to prevent law abiding citizens from freely leaving the country. Now, whether the country on the other side of the border lets them in should be up to that country - but we should be able to leave freely.

2. I wish I could disagree with you but government has a history of putting the burden on law abiding ctizens rather than targeting only law breakers. And I don't think the government does this because the government is evil but because its easier to control the law abiding.

[MadIvan]

Profiling would be much simpler than doing this.

Regards, Ivan

[TBP]

Biometrics: the new Belin Wall.

[gondramB]

>>Biometrics: the new Belin Wall.<<

This bidirectional biometric ID requirement is something I talk about a fair amount - but I avoid language like "Berlin wall" because I don't believe the government has bad intent or motives anything like the Berlin wall -also, we can vote to change the government in a way the East Germans could only dream of.

Nonetheless, it is a slippery slope and a place that people concerned about individual freedom should be aware of and that we should express our concerns to our representitives.

[gondramB]

>>Profiling would be much simpler than doing this.

Regards, Ivan<<

There is nothing to stop them from profiling and encoding that into your biometric ID.... the "best" of both worlds.