Explaining the Shooting of Governor John Connally

Shown on FreeRepublic for the first time. | October 25, 2006 | Bill Charleston

[archy]

The most unique feature of the Carcano was it's split bridge receiver. That's why the scope had to be mounted as an offset.

But that applies to any Carcano/Terni rifle, not the 91/38 Fucile Corto s/n C2766 allegedly used in the JFK shooting. What is it that makes THAT particular model and individual rifle different from thousands of others similar to it, but far from the same?

Specifications

The primary distinction between the models/sub-models/variants is made by the year of manufacture (indicated on the barrel up to roughly mid-1943), length, and the bayonet mounting. The table below shows the specifications for the models/sub-models/variants:

Specifications for Common Carcano Rifles

Model	Caliber (mm)	Twist Type	Sights (m)			Weight	Length (cm)		Bayonet
			Adjustable	Battle	Fixed		Barrel	Overall
91 Fucile	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain	450-2000	300		8 lb. 7 oz.	78	128.5	Detachable
91 Cav.	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain	450-1500	300		6 lb. 14 oz.	45	91.3	Attached/Folding
91 T.S.	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain	450-1500	300		6 lb. 8.5 oz.	44.9	92.2	Detachable
91/24 T.S.	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain	450-1500	300		6 lb. 8.5 oz.	45.2	92.1	Detachable
91/28 T.S.	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain	450-1500	300		6 lb. 13 oz.	45.7	91.5	Detachable
38 Fucile Corto	7.35x51 Carcano	Fixed			200	7 lb. 9 oz.	53.5	101.8	Detachable/Folding
38 Cav.	7.35x51 Carcano	Fixed			200	6 lb. 9 oz.	44.7	91.5	Attached/Folding
38 T.S.	7.35x51 Carcano	Fixed			200	6 lb. 10 oz.	45.1	91.5	Detachable
91/38 Fucile Corto	6.5x52 Carcano	Fixed			200	7 lb. 7 oz.	53.8	101.8	Detachable/Folding
91/38 Cav.	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain	450-1500	200	200	7 lb.	44.6	91.5	Attached/Folding
91/38 T.S.	6.5x52 Carcano	Gain			200	6 lb. 6 oz.	45.9	92.7	Detachable
91/41 Fucile	6.5x52 Carcano	Fixed	300-1000	200		8 lb. 8 oz.	69.2	116.8	Detachable
38 S Cav.	8x57 IS Mauser				200	6 lb. 14 oz.	45.6	91.8	Attached/Folding
38 S T.S.	8x57 IS Mauser	Fixed			200	6 lb. 10 oz.	45.2	92.1	Detachable
Tipo I	6.5x50 Japanese	Fixed	400-2400	300 ?		8 lb. 12 oz.	78.1	128.9(Long) 126.4(Short)	Detachable Arisaka bayonet

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[Churchillspirit]

Many thanks for the links.

Don't have audio at work, I'll listen to it later.

[Shooter 2.5]

But that applies to any Carcano/Terni rifle, not the 91/38 Fucile Corto s/n C2766 allegedly used in the JFK shooting.

Not the one used in the JFK assassination? Not C2766? Are you trying to claim the rifle used in the JFK assassination didn't have a split bridge? Then what is the bolt handle doing between the bridges?

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

[ConservativeMan55]

bttt

[BILL_C]

6. "... Even if you discount the Dallas Police Recording and Dr. D. B. Thomas' Paper on "ECHO CORRELATION...." you still have several indications that John Connally was shot at Z=325."

Your timing data for Gov. Connolly's reaction to being shot are still based upon Dr. D.B. Thomas' mistaken (negligently or deliberately) synchronization based upon the Zapruder film and your own misguided belief based upon the impeached Dictabelt 10 data. What's you're doing here is saying 'Even if you ignore the first thing I said, let me say the same thing another way and present it again as supporting evidence'.

REPLY:

Your post #299 was well written and very well thought out, but of course, we disagree. I wanted to respond to each point and maybe persuade you to consider that just maybe you have been deceived by our government for purposes you don't believe are possible.

You believe that the scenario that I have written about is impossible and was based primarily on the Dallas Police Department Dictabelt recordings recordings of the police channels used for the motorcade Nov. 22, 1963. Actually, I did NOT first believe that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325 because of the Dictabelt analysis, I had instead first noticed that the only time Connally's movements match ANYTHING like he says when he was hit in the back was at Z=325. When I was reviewing the audio analysis one day and I realized the last two shots cooresponded perfectly with the scenario of a shot to JFK's head at Z=313 and then a shot to Connally's back at Z=325, I then said BINGO. I already knew that the Zapruder film strongly supported Connally's back shot after JFK's fatal head shot, I already knew that several witness' statements supported Connally's back shot at Z=325, but when I saw that the audio analysis ALSO supported the same shot spacing, there was now too strong a coorelation to ignore the Dictabelt recording.

Now, even if you don't believe the Dr. Donald Thomas'dictabelt recording analysis, there is still ample evidence to suggest that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325. The dictabelt came under "attack" after the House Subcommmittee of Assassinations Committee on Assassinations left that scenario of two shooters shot two shots less than a second apart. Other "experts" said that the audio analysis of the recording caught nothing but noise and that "hold it hear" was spoken about a minute after the assination shots were fired. So who was right?

Dr. Thomas analyzed the information and did a statistical analysis of the information. Now we all know statistics can lie, and frequently do, but as an investigator who really wants to know the truth, I firmly believe you have to analyze all the information and UNDERSTAND what it's telling you. Dr. Thomas took a known time stamp and analyzed it FORWARD in time and concluded the "shots" on the recording were at the correct time, the other observation of "hold it here" proved just the opposite conclusion. The dictabelt was a crude device for even 1963 and had a tendency to write over previous information, it stopped and started when dead spots occurred etc. With these variables, it's impossible to KNOW with ABSOLUTE certainty that the impulses seen on the recording were fired at the right time.

But Dr. Thomas took the data and his statistical analysis showed that there were five shots fired that day, with the last two shots 0.7 seconds apart, which are the ones I'm most interested in. But of significance to me, his statistical analysis also concluded that the odds of random noise producing the impulses seen on the recording were 100,000 to one AGAINST that occurring. Saying it another way, it's highly unlikely you'd see that pattern of impulses on the recording unless they were from gunshots.

In private coorespondence with Dr. Thomas, I told him that I seriously doubted that one piece of data or observation would ever prove anything in the JKF assassination and he agreed with that thought.

But that's one of the reasons why YOU don't know with certainty what happened in Dallas. Experts in this case have become too focused on one aspect of the information and they have failed to integrate it all into one consistent picture. For example the first flurry of books focused on the witnesses' statements vs. the Warren Commission and the conspiracy continued on, nothing proven, just he said they said for 40 years.

But a great deal of information has been released over the years, and new revelations with the Records Review Act in the 90's are still being analyzed.

But to get the RIGHT answer, you have to find a consistent story between the physical evidence, the witness' statements, the photographs, the movie films.... For example, just because the autopsy photographs show no significant damage to the back of JFK's head is not proof either way there was damage. You see, you have two possibilities here,

ONE: The Warren Commission did an above board investigation and the evidence and most conclusions presented are correct OR;

TWO: Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, the Warren Commission presented a huge lie and the reason was the killers were in control of the flow of information. With the number of indications the Warren Commission had, or SHOULD HAVE HAD, is overwhelming to me. Either they were the worse investigators in history OR they were CONTROLLED by corrupt individual(s). Prove that Connally was shot at Z=325, and you remove most doubt about who the killers really were.

What I will show you as I reply to you is that an integrated analysis of that 8 seconds of shooting reveals multiple shooters with a crossfire that killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally.

Discount even the Dictabelt recording and it's still clear; Connally was shot in the back at Z=325.

[Tares]

Experts in this case have become too focused on one aspect of the information and they have failed to integrate it all into one consistent picture.

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But to get the RIGHT answer, you have to find a consistent story between the physical evidence, the witness' statements, the photographs, the movie films.... For example, just because the autopsy photographs show no significant damage to the back of JFK's head is not proof either way there was damage.

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TWO: Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, the Warren Commission presented a huge lie and the reason was the killers were in control of the flow of information. With the number of indications the Warren Commission had, or SHOULD HAVE HAD, is overwhelming to me. Either they were the worse investigators in history OR they were CONTROLLED by corrupt individual(s).

Do you believe that the photo above is a fake?

Do you believe that the photo below is a fake?

[Shooter 2.5]

All right then. If you think you have all the answers then LET'S HEAR THEM.

Spell out exactly how the assassination happened from the first shooter and the bullet trajectory with damage report to the very last damage report. Step by step.

Location of first shot origin.
First shot trajectory.
First shot damage report.
Location of found projectile.

Location of second shot origin.
So on and so forth.

Let's see how many magic bullets you can arrive at. Let's see how many impossible bullet trajectories you can list.
Let's see how many of your comments make no sense whatsoever.

Take your time.

[BILL_C]

Can you please name the guilty men?

The GUILTY MEN are LBJ and Hoover. Look at Barr McClellan's book BLOOD MONEY.... and he has ONE THING right, and that' the finger print found in the sniper's nest that belonged to Mac Wallace, a killer that ties directly to LBJ. His book and TV documentary came out in 2003.

Also, if you believe that Connally was indeed shot in the back after the fatal Z=313 shot to JFK's head, then either these were the most idiotic investigators in the world to get this so wrong, or the FIX was in. Hoover and Johnson were the only ones in the world who could have screwed up such a simple investigation. One of the best witnesses told the Warren Commission repeatedly he heard the last two shot, BANG-BANG. The Dallas Police Recording analysis says the last two shots were 0.7 seconds apart. The Connally's both said John was NOT shot by the first shot that hit JFK. Nellie said the bullet could not "have hung in the air" for seconds before hitting John......

It will soon be obvious, LBJ and Hoover.

[BILL_C]

All right then. If you think you have all the answers then LET'S HEAR THEM.

Spell out exactly how the assassination happened from the first shooter and the bullet trajectory with damage report to the very last damage report. Step by step.

Let's HEAR THEM? Let's see, the title of my presentation is clearly and simply explaining the wounds of Governor Connally. I did that simplistically but you reject even the most obvious points.

I have presented for the first time that I'm aware of a scenario which is consistent with many of the "unexplainable" observations by witnesses. Take some time and it will all make sense.

My presentation included the head snap DOWN of Governor Connally beginning at Z=325. This is the FIRST TIME this head movement has ever been documented publically to my knowledge (I did this on FREEREPUBLIC for a reason). As you probably know, the Zapruder film was shot at 18.2 frames/second. For rough math, that's about 1 inch movement for each frame equals 1 mph. Assuming that Connally was shot approximately 5 seconds earlier at around Z=220, then for over 5 seconds Connally turns in his seat and looks over his shoulder. Then you believe apparently all of a sudden at Z=325 Connally crashes forward, his head moves several inches in one frame (which is several miles per hour) in a direction it wasn't moving before in the previous frames.

And then you ignore the FACT that the secret service man (Roy Kellerman) sitting directly in front of John Connally said in his testimony that he heard BANG-BANG when the last shots were fired.

Then coincidentally, we have a Dallas Police Radio recording which shows 2 shots 0.7 seconds apart at the right spacing from the earlier shots that were fired. I recognize we have TWO sets of experts, one set says the recording actually captured the shots and another set of experts said NO, they did not. It doesn't take a genius to realize that IF I have TWO sets of opinions about the validity of the recording, and both have their merits, BUT if you later find that another observation has the right spacing of shots (in time) to validate the scenario, then any reasonable person would conclude we have two diverse observations which say the same thing: The recording captured the shots and there were FIVE SHOTS.

If you choose to reject that analysis, then you are forced to conclude there were a lot of people telling lies and falsehoods OR we have a simple explanation: The Vice-President arranged for the killing and the FBI Director fed BS to the Warren Commission. No one else in the world could have pulled this off.

It's not complicated any more, in fact, it's obvious that Johnson is the man.

Now as far as explaining the first three shots in detail, that's "easy" to do but IT'S CHAPTERS in a book, NOT paragraphs.

From the orderly at Parkland who said the bullet found there was NOT on Connally's stretcher, to the two witnesses at Parkland who said Jack Ruby was there, to the people who said they saw a gunman and/or smoke from in front of the limo to the staff doctors and nurses who saw a large hole in the back of JFK's head, we have a Warren Commission report which chose to ignore these eye witnesses. And, of course, as knowledgable as you are about the assassination, you know that there were MORE witnesses who had observations which invalidated the Warren Report.

You chose to believe an obviously fradulant investigation report because it has the backing of the U.S. Governmentas it is a measure of our government's integrity. I've presented this scenario in presentations to hundreds of people and I remember one retired senior military officer who refused to believe black and white. He had seen wounded in Viet Nam do unbelievable things, that's how he explained Governor Connally turning in his seat after Z=230 and showing NO SIGNS of a chest wound. He ignored the head snap downward at Z=325 which no reasonable person could believe he could(IMHO). He ignored everything except what the Warren Commission report said.

I submit you're doing the same thing. You have chosen to believe the biggest lie in history and it's about to go down in flames along with silly books like Possner's and many others. And don't forget the History Channel in the next few days!.

Like Ruby said right before his death, "it goes to the top."

[Shooter 2.5]

You sir, are such an ass. You still haven't explained a single thing except repeat hearsay from unreliable witnesses.

Read my post again. I asked for a complete breakdown of where the "shooters" were. What was the trajectories? What was the damage those bullets created or what the results of those bullets. Step by step.

Theories and crackpots always claim there were shooters to the front, back, sideways and upside down but they never explain where those shooters were and how they escaped detection from bystanders and police who were stationed within twenty feet. Crackpots never explain how bullet trajectories go over people, cracked windshields, curbs, through trees and up and over automobiles.

Crackpots never explain how their magic bullets penetrate two inches of flesh and simply disappear.

[BILL_C]

Crackpots?

I understand you can't comprehend the obvious. The information I put here on FREEREPUBLIC is the first time it's ever been shown to the public.

It's not wrong, it's simple and it's obvious. LBJ and Hoover pulled this off in the biggest lie in history. Connally was the last person shot that day, and it happened at frame Z=325.

Now, I didn't repeat much of anything, I EXPLAINED simply what happened to John Connally. It's consistent with what the witnesses said, it's consistent with the recording which did capture the sounds of the shooting (this is a unique NEVER BEFORE PUBLISHED confirmation of that fact)and it's consistent with the Zapruder film.

What isn't consistent with much of anything is the fairy tale called the Warren Commission. Dr.Thomas' analysis concluded the odds were 100,000 to 1 against random noise producing those impulses which looked like gunshots. Couple that with those sounds were unique on the whole recording then factor in the last noises were 0.7 seconds apart, then you get odds that rediculous. A reasonable person can only come to one conlusion, bang-bang.

Call me an ass, call me anything you want but get prepared to understand the government lied in 1963 and they've lied ever since then. It's simple now, 1960s technology against today's information.

By the way, I normally open up a presentation with a Lincoln quote, You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

I know what you asked for but you argue about the simple part, when Connally was shot. Some of the other stuff requires some thinking.

Regards

[smoketree]

Why are you wasting time on shooter.25?
He has a learning disability and compensates by asking absurd questions.
You can have the most solid reason and he still won't see it because his brain is past it's capacity.
I am interested in your theory and I'm getting tired of seeing information repeated over and over for that simpleton.
I believe your analysis is correct.
The bullet in the curb should shout that there were more than than three shots as well as the movement of JFK's head with the "frontal" shot.

[Shooter 2.5]

I'll make it even easier for you. Fill in the blanks.
1.Position of First shooter. [__________]
2. Trajectories of first shooters projectiles. [________]
3. Damage from first shooter's projectiles. [_________]
1.Position of second shooter. [__________]
2. Trajectories of second shooter's projectiles. [________]
3. Damage from second shooter's projectiles. [_________]
And so on to list all the shooters and projectiles which would make Dealy Plaza sound like a war zone.

There you go. Really easy. But since have no idea what you're writing about, you won't be able to put down any information without writing about invisible shooters, invisible bullets and impossible trajectories. Have at it.

[smoketree]

You forgot to ask where the bazooka was.

[smoketree]

Another question for you since you were there.
You just implied that if the scenario was differnet than what you think then it was a war zone. So you are saying that shots were fired back at the shooters which is what a war zone would be. Shots in one direction is an assassination. Shots in two directions would be a war zone. Or are you saying that if there actually was more than one then others were shooting back?
I realize anything complex is beyond your capacity but saying it was either your way or a war zone shows emotional problems in understanding complex thinking. You are exactly what the government wants, someone who will believe anything they put out.
Or maybe you are a gov. propagandist trying your best to prop up a huge lie.
The emperor has no clothes, right?
Do you believe shots were fired in both directions?

[mtbopfuyn]

The GUILTY MEN are LBJ and Hoover.

Yet, after being involved with nearly murdering the governor, John, Nellie, Lady Bird and Lyndon continued being the very best of friends until the day they died (yes, Lady Bird is still very much alive and well). Nope, your dog don't hunt.

[BILL_C]

Yet, after being involved with nearly murdering the governor, John, Nellie, Lady Bird and Lyndon continued being the very best of friends until the day they died (yes, Lady Bird is still very much alive and well). Nope, your dog don't hunt.

REPLY: Of course that's why John Connally switched to the Republican Party. :-)

You know, of course, that John Connally was involved in box 13, the original fradulant election that got Johnson elected in the first place.

In a private conversation later on, John Connally said to someone that he loved his country too much and would NEVER say publicly what he thought happened. That doesn't prove a thing, of course, it just explains to a reasonable person what John Connally MIGHT have thought privately.

You see, I'm quite convinced that Dr. Crenshaw's book, CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE hit the nail right on the head. You are taking a Possner type position, they remained the best of friends......

Listen to the tapes of LBJ calling Jackie Kennedy after he had arranged the killing of her husband in a second rate third world coup, it's enough to make you sick. There was nothing difficult to understand about it, it's just that LBJ had a democratic party controlled House of Representatives and Senate and a murderous pervert as FBI director who controlled the investigation of the murder.

The REAL PURPOSE of the Warren Commission was to remove doubt that the person witht the most to gain from the killing of JFK had no involvement. LBJ would be AMAZED that the lie survived this long.

[BILL_C]

I am interested in your theory and I'm getting tired of seeing information repeated over and over for that simpleton.

Well I look at it is NOT a theory, it's an OBVIOUS fact.

Look at the timing between the last two shots: The best witness in the limo says BANG-BANG (Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman, look at his Warren Commission testimony, read about him arguing there had to be more than three shots....).

The best analysis of the Dallas Police Recording says 0.7 seconds between the two shots.

The Zapruder film click shows a DRAMATIC change in the direction of John Connally's head, from forward to DOWN in one frame (with 18.2 frames/second). That frame, Z-325 is 0.7 seconds AFTER the fatal head shot to JFK.

"They" hid the Zapruder Film from the public all the way until 1975 when it was shown on Television with a BS explanation that it was too "something" for the public to view . The public raised so much hell that the House Subcommittee on Assassinations had to bury this again, but Gary Mack brought the Dallas Police channel radio recording to the committee and unfortunately for the GUILTY MEN, it's just another nail in their coffin.

The idiotic explanations continue to this day when what actually happened is pretty simple. The conspirators, Hoover and LBJ had set up Lee Harvey Oswald well, but a lot of things went very wrong that day. We call them "conspiracy theories" but simply it's a matter of the integrity of the US Government on the line. They'll never admit it, they can't, the lies are too deep. And you can fool some of the people all the time.

The way the game has been played is simple, if you don't believe the Warren Commission's Single Bullet Theory, then you have an undefendable position of six shots would have had to have been fired.... So the "panel" bought into silliness like the single bullet theory as the alternative is unbelievable.

Now these are lawyers, doctors and others (who couldn't work a first order differential equation if their life depended on it) who even got that part wrong.

If you look at my writeup and look at the link to Connally's description of the shot to his back, he says "the blow was of such force that it bent me over....."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-lZNR_yAc

You only see John Connally bent over starting at Z=319 when he and the TWO secret service agents in the front seat are ducking in reaction to the fatal shot to JFK's head. I have had others say to me that the three men are being moved in response to the limo braking at that time, but look at Jackie Kennedy at the same time and she does NOT move like the others do, she remains erect.

But the difference between John Connally and the two secret service agents in front of him is that at Z=325, Connally's head collapses when he is shot in the back. And then he collapses into his wife's lap as she pulls him over.

We can see Connally collapse at Z=325 in the Zapruder Film.

We have both Nellie and John Connally say John was shot AFTER the first shot hit JFK.

We have Roy Kellerman say that the last two shots were BANG-BANG.

We have the Dallas Police Recording analysis identify the last two shots were 0.7 seconds apart.

You can see it in the Zapruder film, a very credible witness heard it, Connally describes it, and the physical evidence supports it (I'm speaking of John Connally's wounds).

Either a lot of people were mistaken about what they saw, heard, felt...... OR the investigation was a fraud which meant powerful people were involved, which means that LBJ and HOOVER were involved (my opinion, of course). But I'm not alone there, of course, LBJ should have been the prime suspect from day one.

As I've mentioned before, I've presented this to hundreds of people. Would you be interested in reviewing a DVD I've put together?

[BILL_C]

I'll make it even easier for you. Fill in the blanks.

1.Position of First shooter. [__________]

And so on to list all the shooters and projectiles which would make Dealy Plaza sound like a war zone.

There you go. Really easy. But since have no idea what you're writing about, you won't be able to put down any information without writing about invisible shooters, invisible bullets and impossible trajectories. Have at it.

I can remember at least "one" of those "unreliable witnesses" as you describe them as calling it just that, a war zone. I'll look for the quote for you.

The reason this silliness has gone on for so long is that the GUILTY MEN convinced the Warren Commission that when Connally was shot in the back AFTER JFK's fatal head shot, that IF Connally was shot at that time, then there had to be a total of six shots and multiple shooters. They said that Nellie Connally pulled John over into her lap, but as any fool can see in just the few frames I posted, that doesn't and can't explain John Connally's head snap down. What explains it is the bullet hitting him in the back at frame Z=325, which drove him forward EXACTLY as he described it.

You see, liars such as the men in charge of this investigation love to have the latitude of ignoring witnesses.

If you've ever been involved in a real investigation, you'd know that to the RIGHT answer, you have to make ALL of your information sources jive together, in short, everything has to make sense, even those things you choose to catagorize as incorrect.

What was done by the Warren Commission was to simply ignore any of the witnesses that didn't support their basic premise: One gunman firing three shots from behind.

You of course know there were witnesses who were NOT called to testify at the Warren Commission hearings who INSISTED shots came from behind them.

If you are going to ignore witness statements, you have to do better than to simply call them unreliable. That tactic may be good enough for you but it's not good enough for the majority of Americans who say in poll after poll that they believe the assassination was a conpiracy.

For the first time, there is a credible alternative to the single bullet theory. And as I've shown to any reasonable person, the Z=325 shot to Connally's back fits the facts but the single bullet theory does not.

Remember, the basis for that statement is IF the Z=325 scenario is correct, then the Warren Commission's findings and all "evidence" held by the government must be questioned as LBJ and HOOVER were fighting to keep from being executed for murder and to remain in power, only their rules counted.

We have lots of ordinary Americans who said they saw X with a government investigation saying they didn't. The simple explanation is the government investigation was corrupt as it would take just two powerful men to pull it off, LBJ and Hoover.

I'll talk about the first three shots after it becomes painfully obvious that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, which proves conspiracy and will remove all doubt about the identity of the killers. Heck, I'll even explain again where Castro was introduced. It's a really simple story too.

[smoketree]

Same thing happened with the gov investigation of TWA Flt 800.
Over one hundred credible witnesses saw streaks going up to the plane before the explosion but were discounted.