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Questions linger over substance on Rogers' left hand
ESPN ^ | 10-23-06 | Amy K. Nelson

Posted on 10/23/2006 6:59:40 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL

DETROIT -- Kenny Rogers pitched eight scoreless innings Sunday, running his shutout streak this postseason to 23 innings while helping the Tigers even the World Series at a game apiece.

And yet, all anyone can talk about is Rogers' dirty left hand.

Early in the Tigers' 3-1 win over the Cardinals, there appeared to be a dispute about something on Rogers' pitching hand. Television cameras caught a brownish substance, possibly dirt, on the palm of Rogers' left hand in the first inning, and showed it several times. By the second inning the substance was gone, and the pitcher's hand looked clean.

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To: Cyclopean Squid

that would have been Geroge Brett. I think it was Billy Martin who called him on it.


161 posted on 10/23/2006 12:35:22 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: CharlesWayneCT
He had some good stuff last night. The opposing team tried to throw him off his game. It didn't work.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the other team tried to throw him off his game. They purposely did not make an issue out it. He had something suspicious on his hand. If you watched the game, you know that. It didn't cause the Cardinals to loose but it was illegal in baseball.

162 posted on 10/23/2006 12:38:02 PM PDT by Gypssy (Smart, Womanly & Conversative! :-)~~~)
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To: Always Right

Thanks, I didn't remember his name.


163 posted on 10/23/2006 12:38:45 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Clockwatcher Extraordinaire)
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To: Cyclopean Squid

That's the legend. Some folks doubt he actually invented the curve ball, though.

My personal favorite example of the fine lines drawn in baseball is the stealing of signs. Legal on the field, but illegal if it uses any technology or personnel not on the field. Unless of course, the technology or personnel not on the field steals signs in one game, then uses the information "on the field" in another game. Starts to sound like an ad hoc pirate code after a while.


164 posted on 10/23/2006 12:41:17 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Diamond

Why would he bother to scuff a ball if he has this magical "dirt" compound he can use that he can hide on his person and nobody can detect it except when he decides to show off and put it on his wrist so the world can see?


165 posted on 10/23/2006 1:05:52 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MadeInAmerica
He could have moved it to his cap, to his glove, under his arm, whatever.

And we all know that here in America, the legal principle is "guilty until proven innocent." </sarcasm>

166 posted on 10/23/2006 1:10:28 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Normal people would kill to save their kids. Muslim fascists raise their kids to die killing others.)
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To: Ron in Acreage
LaRusso knew it was pine tar when a ball ended up in the Cards dugout in the middle of the first inning. You could see him and others inspecting it. My new HDTV could see it was tar as clear as a bell. It was not dirt. It was shiny and sticky looking. I was yelling at the TV for LaRusso to run on the field and catch the dirtbag Rogers red or brown handed.

Of course! You've got HDTV, so you could see what the rest of us analog dinosaurs couldn't. I guess you also were able to make out that the last letter in the name on the back of the Cardinals' manager's uniform is an "O". See, I always thought it was "LaRussa," but I don't have Hi-def.

167 posted on 10/23/2006 1:17:03 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Normal people would kill to save their kids. Muslim fascists raise their kids to die killing others.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

And we all know that here in America, the legal principle is "guilty until proven innocent." </sarcasm>
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I must disagree. The legal principle here is....it's only illegal if you get caught. Then if you get caught, just say it's no big deal. It shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Everyone does it.

Now THAT makes sense.


168 posted on 10/23/2006 1:23:53 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: MadeInAmerica
The legal principle here is....it's only illegal if you get caught. Then if you get caught, just say it's no big deal. It shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Everyone does it.

Rogers wasn't "caught." He was told to clean whatever it was off his hand, and he did. You allege that since his performance from that point forward continued to be stellar, he must still have been cheating; he just moved an illegal substance from his hand to another place. You have no basis for that.

There have been pitchers caught red-handed on the mound in attempts to cheat, most famously Joe Niekro's vain attempt to flip an emery board out of his pocket, hoping the umpires would not notice it falling to the ground. There is no such similar prima facie evidence Rogers just got better at cheating once he was "caught."

169 posted on 10/23/2006 1:37:26 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Normal people would kill to save their kids. Muslim fascists raise their kids to die killing others.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Rogers wasn't "caught." He was told to clean whatever it was off his hand, and he did.
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Therefore, he did nothing illegal since he wasn't caught. Do you even know who told him to clean his hand? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the umpire. It was in his dugout as he came in from the first inning.

This isn't the first time Kenny was "accused" of cheating. But last time, he was called on it for scuffing the balls with his finger nails. Every single ball had the same scuff on the MLB logo that he pitched. He denied it, but was warned they are looking. After that, they hit him like he was a little leaguer. Gee, must be coincidence.


170 posted on 10/23/2006 1:45:35 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: MadeInAmerica
This isn't the first time Kenny was "accused" of cheating. But last time, he was called on it for scuffing the balls with his finger nails. Every single ball had the same scuff on the MLB logo that he pitched. He denied it, but was warned they are looking. After that, they hit him like he was a little leaguer. Gee, must be coincidence.

By your reasoning, once you stop Rogers from cheating, it's like batting practice, right? Well, what happened last night? He gave up two hits in eight innings. Thanks for destroying your own argument.

171 posted on 10/23/2006 1:56:38 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Normal people would kill to save their kids. Muslim fascists raise their kids to die killing others.)
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To: commish

Rogers denied any umpire ever asked him to remove anything.


172 posted on 10/23/2006 1:57:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Always Right
The Umps saw and examined the subtance on his hand, concluded it was dirt and told him to wash it off.

How do you figure? Rogers said several times that the umpire, or any offical, never asked him to wash anything off.

173 posted on 10/23/2006 1:59:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Diddle E. Squat

The Card didn't complain. The media and fans are the ones bringing this up.


174 posted on 10/23/2006 2:00:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: gridlock

He hasn't done well in the playoffs in the past. I believe he pitched terribly for the Yankees and the Mets in the playoffs.


175 posted on 10/23/2006 2:03:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Go back and watch it again and look at the brown spot that appeared on the top of his hat at the start of the 2nd inning - he continually rubbed his fingers on that spot for the rest of the game, which he didn't do in the first inning. The guy's a cheater.


176 posted on 10/23/2006 2:36:34 PM PDT by RightFighter
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To: commish

That would be a decent argument if the following were true:

1. The opposing pitcher had a similarly colored spot on his hand (he didn't)

2. The rosin bag were dirty (when they showed the rosin bag, it looked pretty clean and white)


177 posted on 10/23/2006 2:43:25 PM PDT by RightFighter
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To: RightFighter
Not only that but think about what happens if you get syrup or sap on your hands and you wipe them off. Your hands are still very sticky until you wash them off with soap and water. So him just wiping his hands with a towel would do nothing.
178 posted on 10/23/2006 2:44:42 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: Diamond

The interesting thing about that split-screen picture is the ball. Look at how the "substance" is all over the ball. Also, notice how shiny the "substance" is. It's not dirt, and it's not sweat in that cold weather either.


179 posted on 10/23/2006 2:48:41 PM PDT by RightFighter
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To: All

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EoeDA8E874


180 posted on 10/23/2006 4:44:40 PM PDT by LA Woman3
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