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To: NRA2BFree; wideawake
He's not saying that such people are potential converts to the false religion of Mohammed. But if we continue the way we are, many of our descendants will either be killed or forced to convert.

I got a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and if you think for one moment that I would ever turn my back on Him to accept a cult of death, satanic religion, then you're nuts

You're going to love what I'm going to say in response to that. Before 1930, people who believed in Christianity, regardless of denomination, thought contraception is inherently sinful. After the Lamberth Conference, the false teaching that contraception is ok in marriage spread, and this kind of "theology" was and continues to be a turning away from God's plan for us.

281 posted on 10/10/2006 11:55:41 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480
Before 1930, people who believed in Christianity, regardless of denomination, thought contraception is inherently sinful.

That didn't stop them from using it. Regardless of what individual churches said, people followed their own consciences, especially in the US, and spaced their children. Trying to make it seem like all non-Catholic forms of Christianity believed 100% what Catholics did before 1930 is a historical distortion.

The point here is *choice* in family spacing - not choice in abortion, that's not what I'm talking about. But since everyone's so exercised about the Muslim birth rate, look at what various Muslim societies have done over the globe and over the years (not all Muslims - I will admit that):

- made it so that girls are married off after their first period (sometimes as young as 9 or 10.)
-actually deliberately fattening young girls so they get their periods sooner (and thus can get married sooner.)
- married young girls off as multiple wives
- keeping girls and women terrorized and brutalized by female genital mutilation
- made it a death penalty offense for women to use birth control without their husband's permission (Iran after the revolution, through the late 1980s.)
- restricted women's education and freedom, from forbidding women to drive, forbidding education, forbidding women to travel outside the country on their own, etc.

All of these things have resulted in very high Muslim fertility rates. There is nothing wrong with the Euro and Western population hovering around replacement. We don't have to crank out babies - what we need to do is make it so that Muslim women enjoy the freedoms that Christian women do (and many Christians do use non-abortion-causing birth control.)

391 posted on 10/10/2006 1:23:26 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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