Posted on 10/10/2006 9:45:12 AM PDT by white trash redneck
You have a whole thread to catch up on. Read his other comments.
"eleventy gillion"
I'll remember that number next time I need something hyperbolic and funny. :)
Go to the factbook and look them up yourself I am not your secretary. needless to say I said the vast majority of muslim countries are in the 2-3 children per woman range with some outliers such as Arabia and Pakistan being the big ones. There are also some African ones that have high growth rates but Africa has other problems not related to islam.
24 hours? The rate this is going, it's going to only take a third of that.
please see post 380
needless to say I said the vast majority of muslim countries are in the 2-3 children per woman range with some outliers such as Arabia and Pakistan being the big ones.
Yet you chose to post places like Albania and Tunisia, whilst ignoring all of Western Europe. That's just garbage research.
I didn't make your posts.
" Civilisations have risen, collapsed, and been replaced throughout human history. ...Demographic decline is one (of many) causes of civilisational collapse."
If by civilization you mean the authoritarian ordering of the world, regardless of extent, sure. The ordering changes. I only consider freedom civil, not authoritarian ordering.
In no way do I support the idea that the purpose of the gift of life is to support demographic considerations to protect anyone's world order. I'll give the gift of life simply so they can enjoy it, as I have. I'm not interested in creating folks, so they can staff armies, do my laundry, or take care of other people.
I appreciate that, but it is no sacrifice. I am a mom, and my children come first.
Not at all.
A people that reproduces at or above replacement rate continues to exist and a people that reproduces below replacement rate eventually ceases to exist.
Either a people replaces itself or it fails to.
No thanks.
That didn't stop them from using it. Regardless of what individual churches said, people followed their own consciences, especially in the US, and spaced their children. Trying to make it seem like all non-Catholic forms of Christianity believed 100% what Catholics did before 1930 is a historical distortion.
The point here is *choice* in family spacing - not choice in abortion, that's not what I'm talking about. But since everyone's so exercised about the Muslim birth rate, look at what various Muslim societies have done over the globe and over the years (not all Muslims - I will admit that):
- made it so that girls are married off after their first period (sometimes as young as 9 or 10.)
-actually deliberately fattening young girls so they get their periods sooner (and thus can get married sooner.)
- married young girls off as multiple wives
- keeping girls and women terrorized and brutalized by female genital mutilation
- made it a death penalty offense for women to use birth control without their husband's permission (Iran after the revolution, through the late 1980s.)
- restricted women's education and freedom, from forbidding women to drive, forbidding education, forbidding women to travel outside the country on their own, etc.
All of these things have resulted in very high Muslim fertility rates. There is nothing wrong with the Euro and Western population hovering around replacement. We don't have to crank out babies - what we need to do is make it so that Muslim women enjoy the freedoms that Christian women do (and many Christians do use non-abortion-causing birth control.)
I give your cherry-picking research in #331 a grade of "F". You clearly have access to the fertility rates in large islamic countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, and in major Western countries like UK, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Canada ... yet you decline to post them. Why is that?
Your original argument, verbatim:
There is no practical difference between using contraception and converting to Islam.You can look it up -- either upthread, or looking for it as an example in a logic textbook under "Fallacy Of The Excluded Middle".
LOL! The distortion is the above line. I never said that Catholics and Protestants believed the same thing on every issue. However, they did agree on contraception.
There is nothing wrong with the Euro and Western population hovering around replacement.
That's the problem. The Euro population ISN'T hovering replacement. It's much below that.
That's a good attitude. :-)
First assignment: fertility rate in Iran, at least one data point per decade covering the twentieth century.
When Rush Limbaugh asked his science teacher if hot water froze faster than cold his science teacher made him do the experiment and write a paper on it in addition to his other homework. I say to you go do the research yourself I have already provide the source you just have to look it up. If you are too lazy to do so that is not my problem. To assume I am to do so for you is quite shall I say arrogant.
OK, all those unicellular guys win on the body count. Who wins on the tonnage count? Mammals + Reptiles + Birds + Fish? Or the little unicellular guys?
So you are planning on ceasing to make them?
No ... I to the whole gamut of human interpersonal relationships ... government is only a small part of that.
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