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Mexico mega-port plan key to 'NAFTA superhighways'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | October 7, 2006

Posted on 10/07/2006 3:56:30 AM PDT by Man50D

WASHINGTON – There are mixed signals coming from Mexico about the fate of a proposed mega-port in Baja California for mainly Chinese goods that would be shipped on rail lines and "NAFTA superhighways" running through the U.S. to Canada.

The port at Punta Colonet, planned as a major container facility to transfer Asian goods into America's heartland, got at least a temporary setback when a Mexican businessman announced a competing project in which he was seeking to secure mineral rights in the area.

Gabriel Chavez, originally one of the principal movers behind the port plan, now says there are significant amounts of titanium and iron to be mined offshore – a project he considers more important than the port.

Mexican ports czar Cesar Patricio Reyes placed a moratorium on further work toward port planning for three or four months while the government explores ways to make everyone happy.

It is no secret the Mexican government is still committed to the port plan. A map from the Atlantic Institute for Market Studies shows the proposed goods route into a North American community.

According to transportation officials in Arizona, one of the sites considered for a rail line from Punta Colonet, the Mexican government has released an official directive stating its intention to create a new marine facility there -- about 150 miles south of the U.S. border.

The port at Punta Colonet, when completed, is expected to rival the biggest West Coast ports in Los Angeles and Long Beach, both heavily congested now.

Bringing goods into a Mexican port would mean lower costs for foreign shippers because of cheaper labor and less restrictive environmental regulations.

Hutchison Ports Mexico, a subsidiary of the Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., is keeping reports about progress on the venture close to the vest.

Only recently has the port become a source of controversy in the U.S. as Americans begin questioning highway and rail projects criss-crossing the country – many of which are designed to carry product from Mexico to the U.S. and Canada on the so-called "NAFTA superhighways."

Resentment is building inside the U.S. because of what appear to be secretive plans made outside normal government policymaking channels about immigration, border policies, transportation and integration of the three North American nations.

Transportation Secretary Maria Cino has promised to release plans within months for a one-year, NAFTA pilot program permitting Mexican truckers beyond the limited commercial zone to which they are currently restricted.

The program will likely involve about 100 Mexican trucking companies, the Department of Transportation says.

Under the North American Free Trade Agreement – NAFTA – the borders were to open partially to truckers from both countries in 1995. Full access was promised by 2000. Because of the restrictions on Mexican trucks, the Mexican government has imposed limits on U.S. truckers.

The U.S. restrictions were placed by the Clinton administration in response to demands from the Teamsters union, which said Mexican trucks posed safety and environmental risks. Currently, the U.S. permits Mexican truckers only in commercial zones close to the border that extend no further than 20 miles from Mexico.

While the American Trucking Association supports opening the border, other unions have joined in opposition with the Teamsters. The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association came out this month in opposition to any Mexican truck pilot program.

Todd Spencer, the association's executive vice president, said the program would jeopardize safety on U.S. roads and would lead to an influx of cheap Mexican labor.

"A move by the U.S. Department of Transportation to open U.S. roadways to Mexican trucks puts the interest of foreign trade and cheap labor ahead of everything else, including highway safety, homeland security and the well being of hardworking Americans," Spencer said.

In a letter to the Interstate Trade Commission, Spencer wrote: "The net effect of admission of Mexican trucks into the U.S. marketplace would undoubtedly be negative. The supposed benefits to consumers from speculative reductions in shipping rates would be offset by the societal costs that are difficult to measure, but are easy to identify."

Raising more suspicions that such plans are leading to a future integration of the U.S., Canada and Mexico, a high-level, top-secret meeting of the North American Forum took place this month in Banff – with topics ranging from "A Vision for North America," "Opportunities for Security Cooperation" and "Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration."

Despite "confirmed" participants including Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Secretary of State George Shultz, former Central Intelligence Agency Director R. James Woolsey, former Immigration and Naturalization Services Director Doris Meissner, North American Union guru Robert Pastor, former Defense Secretary William Perry, former Energy Secretary and Defense Secretary James Schlesinger and top officials of both Mexico and Canada, there has been no press coverage of the event. The only media member scheduled to appear at the event, according to documents obtained by WND, was the Wall Street Journal's Mary Anastasia O'Grady.

The event was organized by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Canada West Foundation, an Alberta think-tank that promotes closer economic integration with the United States.

The Canadian event is just the latest of a series of meetings, policy papers and directives that have citizens, officials and members of the media wondering whether these efforts represent some sort of coordinated effort to implement a "merger" some have characterized as "NAFTA on steroids."

Last week, government documents released by a Freedom of Information Act request revealed the Bush administration is running what some observers see as a "shadow government" with Mexico and Canada in which the U.S. is crafting a broad range of policy in conjunction with its neighbors to the north and south.


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To: dennisw

Repent Consumers, the end is near!


301 posted on 10/11/2006 7:06:27 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: dennisw

Since you were late to the discussion, read post #35. This will clue you in on who you are talking to, for and about.


302 posted on 10/11/2006 7:28:53 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Ben Ficklin

Oops! I should have pinged you Ben to post #302.


303 posted on 10/11/2006 7:31:47 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo

Yes or no..... Will this NAFTA superhighway/Mexican mega-port plan bring in more Chinese crap and bloat our trade deficts further? This is my simple question.


304 posted on 10/11/2006 7:42:38 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: dennisw
Yes or no..... Will this NAFTA superhighway/Mexican mega-port plan bring in more Chinese crap and bloat our trade deficts further? This is my simple question.

You bet it will. Right now, I don't have a clue as to who will be checking the containers as they come into the U.S. via Mexico. I guess it will be Dubai or maybe Hutchinson. I wonder how much of this will be targeted for the underground economy where taxes are not collected?

I just read today that Calderone, the Fox clone, is planning to have Mexico up and running by the year 2030. I'd laugh if this weren't so serious. The leftest President elect even mention sustainable development in the speech. So I guess from now to 2030 Mexico will use remittances from the U.S. and also will use us as their dumping ground for their unwanted.

305 posted on 10/11/2006 8:07:46 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: dennisw; B4Ranch; Paul Ross

There is a lot of good information on this thread. Read post #103 and #121. Both are excellent.


306 posted on 10/11/2006 8:14:00 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Ben Ficklin
You mis-spoke, here, let me fix it for you:

Repent Consumers import lobbyists and special-interests, the end is near!

307 posted on 10/11/2006 8:39:37 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Ben Ficklin; Czar
""shooting war in this country "

"Now you are returning to the conspiracy theory from a few years ago that was very, very popular with the nutjobs at FR, that the ChiCom military is secretly massed just south of the Texas border."

The new twist on the old conspiracy is the they will use the TTC to invade. As if there isn't an interstate already in place."

Your apocalyptic mindset is a wonder to behold."

Czar, see what I mean about being mentally challenged!
He's slobbering all over his keyboard again.

 

308 posted on 10/11/2006 10:36:38 AM PDT by Smartass (The stars rule men but God rules the stars)
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To: Larousse2
Me too...

:o)


 

309 posted on 10/11/2006 10:38:30 AM PDT by Smartass (The stars rule men but God rules the stars)
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To: texastoo

Thanks for the info. Irony would be that the Mexican mega port is built, the NAFTA superhighways are built. Then right when they are about to swing into action (year 2010) the USDollar crashes due to endless trade deficits, and we can't afford jack from China. LOL!


Sorry for my rude tone ... we're on the same side.


310 posted on 10/11/2006 11:10:14 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: MikefromOhio; EternalVigilance
Now why don't you answer gmmac's questions about WHY you are linking to Ultra-Far-Left Canadian websites?

Funny, I don't recall you chiding your buddies on the Chris Simcox conspiracy threads for using the Southern Poverty Law Center for their main source of ammo.

311 posted on 10/11/2006 11:46:13 AM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: Golden Eagle; MikefromOhio

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, do we really need a Microsoft/Linux battle spilling into this?


312 posted on 10/11/2006 11:51:49 AM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: Paul Ross; texastoo; B4Ranch; jmc813; hedgetrimmer; Kimberly GG; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; ...

FYI, and records. Keep the information coming.





Two tons of pot found inside Mexico-U.S. border tunnel

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS

January 26, 2006


DAVID MAUNG
Investigators discovered a sophisticated cross-border tunnel yesterday extending about a half-mile and found about 2 tons of marijuana on the Mexican end.

Investigators discovered a sophisticated cross-border tunnel yesterday extending about a half-mile and found about 2 tons of marijuana on the Mexican end.

The tunnel begins about 85 feet below a small warehouse about 175 yards south of the U.S. border. The other end is in an apparently vacant industrial building in Otay Mesa.

Late last night, authorities were still pulling marijuana out of the tunnel, which is outfitted with electricity and a ventilation system. The building is in an industrial neighborhood near Tijuana's airport.


NANCEE E. LEWIS / Union-Tribune
A Mexican federal agent investigated a tunnel below a small warehouse near Tijuana's airport last night. The tunnel, which extends a half-mile across the border into the United States, is outfitted with electricity and a ventilation system.
The concrete-lined shaft is 6 feet by 12 feet with a metal ladder that leads to the packed-earth tunnel, which is tall enough for a person to stand in.

A gurney hanging from a pulley system attached to one of the building's beams allowed items to be moved into and out of the tunnel. Two trucks and a van were parked inside the warehouse.

Authorities said the elaborate tunnel bore the hallmarks of Mexican drug cartels, which have spent millions of dollars in the last 15 years to find a way to move contraband across the border.

When Mexican officials allowed the media into the small warehouse shortly before 9 p.m., reporters saw about 300 bundles of marijuana stacked more than 5 feet high.

In the United States, the warehouse where the tunnel ended – north of Siempre Viva Road – was surrounded by law enforcement agents last night.

Authorities did not estimate how long the tunnel might have been in use or provide information about who might own the properties where the tunnel's entrance and exit were found.

In Tijuana, after spending most of yesterday waiting for a search warrant from Mexico City, dozens of Mexican police and federal agents swarmed around the metal building and surrounding truck yard late in the afternoon.

While Mexican agents awaited approval for a thorough search of the shaft, their U.S. counterparts resumed digging with heavy equipment in an area between two border fences.

That digging stopped about 4:15 p.m. when word came back that Mexican agents had found the tunnel at the bottom of the shaft.

"We have a tunnel and it's massive," said Lauren Mack, a spokeswoman with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which was investigating the tunnel with agents from the Border Patrol and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in San Diego and Mexican federal, state and local officials are also part of the investigation.

Based on tips, U.S. officials began investigating the possibility of a tunnel in the area in 2004.

The investigation included searches using high-tech equipment capable of providing rough images of objects underground.

Monday evening, U.S. agents notified their Mexican counterparts of the possibility of a tunnel.

California National Guard troops who work with the Border Patrol began digging Tuesday morning with a bulldozer and a backhoe.

In Tijuana, Mexican military trucks rolled in and out of the yard yesterday.

At a billboard-making business next door, worker José Javier Ramirez Velasquez, 24, said the large shed "appeared abandoned."

Since moving from Guadalajara two months ago, he has been staying on a trailer nearby and said he had heard no noise or any digging.

"It caught me by surprise learning there was a narcotunnel here," he said. Meanwhile, several miles away yesterday morning, a U.S. Border Patrol agent found another tunnel a short distance west of the San Ysidro border crossing.

This tunnel, far from sophisticated, is the kind that agents call a "gopher hole." It was dug in an area just south of the fence in Mexico and extended about 30 feet in the United States, officials from Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Border Patrol said.

The tunnel, just 2 feet underground and about 2 feet square, was discovered after an agent investigating some people standing near the fence north of the border found an area where it had caved in, Border Patrol spokesman Richard Kite said.

"It was not a complete tunnel and was of no use to any criminal enterprise," he said. "There were several people who were coming north of the fence. One of them was able to make it back across to Mexico."

That tunnel was about 50 yards west of where a similar tunnel was found Jan. 9.

A fourth tunnel under construction, with electric lights but with its entrance covered by a board, was discovered near the Otay Mesa border crossing Friday.

This month's discoveries bring to 21 the number of tunnels found in Arizona and California since Sept. 11, 2001, when inspections at the border crossings were beefed up. Between 1990 and 2001, 15 tunnels were found.

The increased number of tunnels is a good sign, said John Fernandes, the special agent in charge of the DEA's San Diego office.

"It is an indication, as far as I'm concerned, about their frustration with our success," he said.

Drug seizures at California border crossings were up 24 percent last fiscal year over the year before, customs officials announced this week. In the year ending Sept. 30, more than 127 tons of drugs were seized, the vast majority of that marijuana.

Tunnels provide a way to avoid inspectors altogether, and that's why drug cartels will spend millions of dollars building them, said lawyer John Kirby, who specialized in drug prosecutions before leaving the U.S. Attorney's Office last year.

"You don't have to play Russian roulette with the border," he said.

The Arellano-Felix cartel was behind a 1,000-foot tunnel between a Mexican ranch house east of Tecate and a house in East County.

It has been battling rival cartels headed by accused drug traffickers Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada and Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzman.

Guzman has tried underground routes before, prosecutors said.

In 1993, people working for him tried to dig a tunnel 1,450 feet north from an industrial building in Tijuana to a factory building under construction in Otay Mesa. They came up in a field about 120 feet short of their target.

That tunnel was discovered after officials found a map in a Tijuana safe house while investigating the killings of Cardinal Juan José Posadas Ocampo and six others in Guadalajara.

Guzman was caught, but escaped from a Mexican jail in 2001. He was indicted in San Diego on drug-trafficking charges. U.S. authorities have offered a $5 million reward for information relating to his arrest.

"Chapo was known," Kirby said. "He could get drugs over quickly."

Going underground

The biggest tunnels that U.S. and Mexican authorities have discovered under the border between California and Baja California:

Yesterday – A 2,600-foot-long tunnel between an industrial building near Tijuana's airport and a warehouse near Siempre Viva Road in Otay Mesa.

Feb. 25, 2005 – A 600-foot tunnel between a house in Mexicali and a house in Calexico.

Feb. 27, 2002 – A 1,200-foot tunnel between a ranch house on the outskirts of Tecate, Mexico, and an unoccupied house in Tierra del Sol near Boulevard.

May 31, 1993 – An unfinished 1,450-foot tunnel that began in an industrial building near Tijuana's airport. The tunnelers were headed toward a warehouse on Siempre Viva Road in Otay Mesa, but were about 120 feet short when it was discovered.

 


313 posted on 10/11/2006 12:25:53 PM PDT by Smartass (The stars rule men but God rules the stars)
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To: dennisw; B4Ranch

I made a mistake earlier. Read post #104 that B4ranch posted. Good material.


314 posted on 10/11/2006 12:35:47 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: dennisw
Irony would be that the Mexican mega port is built, the NAFTA superhighways are built. Then right when they are about to swing into action (year 2010) the USDollar crashes due to endless trade deficits, and we can't afford jack from China.

Sometimes I wonder if that is why the Administration is in the almost desperate hurry it is... the Blue Light Special is almost over.

315 posted on 10/11/2006 1:57:48 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: B4Ranch; texastoo; Paul Ross; hedgetrimmer; Kimberly GG; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; ...
FYI, and Records...Keeping the Information flowing.



[Congressional Record: September 29, 2006 (Senate)]
[Page S10635-S10637]
From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:cr29se06-429]                         

 
Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) BORDER FENCING
  Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, I want to make a few comments on the 
vote we had earlier tonight, 80 to 19, on a bill on border fencing 
along our southern border, where 1.1 million people were apprehended 
last year crossing that border. We have had a few comments, pro and con 
today, but there hasn't been a lot of debate. It represents the fourth 
time we voted on this issue. So we know pretty much what the debate is. 
I saw no reason to delay our departure tonight. Other matters are being 
settled as I speak now. I think it is appropriate to take a few moments 
to comment on it.
  No. 1, of course, the fence is not the answer. There is no one answer 
to reestablishing a legal system of immigration in America, but that 
must be our goal. If we aspire to be a great nation, a lawful nation, 
it is absolutely critical that we have a legal system of immigration. 
We should not reward those

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who come illegally, but we should be generous to those who choose to 
come legally and comply with our rules.
  We are a Nation of immigrants. We will remain a Nation of immigrants. 
We will continue to allow people to come to our country.
  I want to say that no one thinks that building barriers at the border 
is going to solve, by itself, our immigration problem. But it is an 
important step. If we have to take 10 steps to cross the goal line, 
this is probably two of the steps necessary to get there. There is no 
need to delay. We need to get started. It takes some time to accomplish 
it. Fences multiply the ability of our Border Patrol agents to be 
successful. We have seen that on the San Diego border. We have seen 
just how well it has helped bring down crime, how well the property 
values have surged on both sides of the border--an area that was 
lawless, crime ridden, and drug infested is moving forward with 
commercial development in a healthy way. That is just the way it is. 
There is not anything wrong, hateful, or mean-spirited to say that we 
integrated a lawful border system in America. The American people 
understand that.
  Indeed, I say to my colleagues that the American people have 
understood fundamentally and correctly the immigration question for 40 
years. They have asked Congress and they have repeatedly asked 
Presidents to make sure we have a legal system of immigration. But that 
has not been accomplished. We have not responded to those requests.
  Now we have reached an extraordinary point in our history where we 
have over a million people apprehended annually coming in illegally, 
and probably, according to many experts, just as many getting by who 
are not apprehended. So it is time for us to confront and fix this 
problem.
  Another critical step in enforcement--absolutely critical--and it is 
one that we can accomplish with far more ease than a lot of people 
think, is to create a lawful system at the workplace. It is not 
difficult, once we set up the effective rules, to send a message to all 
American businesses that they need a certain kind of identification to 
hire someone who has come into our country. If they don't have this 
legal document, they are not entitled to be hired. This will work. Most 
businesses will comply immediately when they are told precisely what is 
expected of them. But that has not been the case. They have not been 
told what is expected of them. They, in fact, have been told if they 
ask too many questions of job applicants, they can be in violation of 
the applicant's civil rights. So lawyers tell them don't ask too many 
questions.
  Then you complain that they have hired illegals, and they say: They 
gave me this document, and I didn't feel like I could inquire behind 
it.
  So it can work. If we tell our business community what is reasonably 
expected of them, they will comply with it. That will represent a major 
leap forward in enforcement. Then we have to ask ourselves what do we 
do about people who only want to come here to work, and we need their 
labor? I believe we can do as Canada and many other developed nations 
have done--create a genuine temporary worker program, a genuine 
program.
  The Senate bill passed in this body that had a section called 
temporary guestworker. But there was nothing temporary about them. They 
could come for 3 years and bring their families and their minor 
children, bring their wives, stay for 3 years, and then extend for 3 
years, and then do it again. After 6 years or 7 years, I believe, they 
could apply for permanent resident status, apply for a green card. Then 
a few years after that, they become a citizen. How temporary is that?
  What Canada says is you can come and work for 8 months. A television 
show interviewed some people in Canada, and they said: I may stay 4 
months or 6 months. They may come and go in the interim many times 
because they have an identifying card that allows them to come and go 
for a specified period of time. That could allow us to have the surge 
in seasonal labor that we need in agriculture and in some other areas. 
But the agricultural community and other areas that say they need 
temporary labor have to understand that they do not get to unilaterally 
set the Nation's immigration policy just so they can have the 
immigration level, the work level, they need. They don't have that 
right. They are not speaking for the national interest.
  This Senate speaks for the national interest. We must set the policy. 
Yes, we have a large number of people who are here illegally. How many 
of those would want to stay permanently? I don't know. I know a number 
of them would. So I think we will reach the point--hopefully, we can do 
this next year--where we confront as a Congress that dilemma.
  I say to my colleagues as a person who was a Federal prosecutor for 
many years, do not ever think that you can just grant amnesty to 
someone who violated the law and that will not have a corrosive effect 
on respect for law in our country. Granting an amnesty is a very 
serious thing. It is not something you can just do because you just 
feel like it, or you feel that is the right thing to do. We must think 
that through.
  My personal view is that for people who have been here a long time 
and had a good record and have done well but came illegally, we ought 
to be able to figure out a way that they can stay here and live here. 
They should not be given every single benefit that we give American 
citizens, or people who come here legally; otherwise, what is the 
difference whether you came legally or illegally? Do you see the moral 
point here. You simply cannot do that and think it has no consequences 
on the rule of law. So we can reach an agreement on that. It is within 
our grasp, I suggest, to deal with that most difficult problem of how 
to deal with people who come to our country illegally.
  Finally, the Nation's fundamental approach to immigration is fatally 
flawed. It makes no sense. It has been wrong for many years. Today, 
only 20 percent of the people who come into our country come in on any 
merit-based program. Most come in on relationships with someone already 
here. Many have come illegally and they obtained amnesty in the past. 
They look to do that again.
  There are many other ways that people come here. But a very small 
percentage of the people who come to our country today come here as a 
result of having met certain qualifications that relate to education or 
job skills. That is not the right approach.
  I have looked and met with the top Canadian officials. I met with and 
talked with top officials of the Australian Government to talk about 
their program. Both of those programs, and also New Zealand and the 
United Kingdom, to a lesser degree, France, and other countries are 
moving to what they call a point system. This is a system by which 
applicants are evaluated on what they bring to the nation. It is 
founded on a simple concept that those nations have decided is 
important to them.
  The concept is this: Immigration should serve the national interest. 
How simple is that? In my committee of Health, Education, Labor, and 
Pensions, and in my Committee on the Judiciary, we have had a few 
hearings on this at my request in both cases. Very few Senators 
attended, frankly.
  Repeatedly the witnesses would say: The first question you people in 
the United States, you policymakers need to decide is: Is the 
immigration policy you wish to establish one that furthers the national 
interest? If you want to further the national interest, then I can give 
you good advice. If your goal is to help poor people all over the world 
and to take the national welfare approach, then we can tell you how to 
do that. You have to decide what your best goals are. If your goal is 
simply to allow everyone who is a part of a family, even distant 
relatives, to come, if that is your No. 1 goal, we can create a system 
that does that. But fundamentally they tell us, when pressed, that an 
immigration system should serve the national interest.
  Professor Borjas at Harvard wrote a book, probably the most 
authoritative book on immigration that has been written. The name of it 
is ``Heaven's Door.'' He testified at our committee hearing. He made 
reference to the fact that we have within our immigration system a 
lottery. This lottery lets 50,000 people apply to come to our country 
from various countries all over the world. We draw 50,000 names out, 
and they get to come into the country,

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not on merit but just pure random choice.
  It makes sense under the idea when it was originally created, which 
was we needed more diversity, we needed people from different 
countries, and this would give people from different countries a chance 
to apply.
  Professor Borjas at the Kennedy School at Harvard, himself a Cuban 
refugee, came here at age 12, said 5 million people apply to be in that 
lot from which we would choose 50,000--5 million. So if we have 5 
million applicants, I ask my colleagues, and we are attempting to serve 
the national interest, how would we choose from that 5 million if we 
could only select and allow in 50,000? How would we choose if we are 
serving the national interest?
  I submit we would do what Canada does. We would say: Do you already 
speak English? How well? Do you have education? How much? Do you have 
job skills? Are they skills that we need in Canada? How old are you? 
Canada--I think Australia also--believes that the national interest is 
served by having younger people come because they will work longer and 
they will pay more taxes before they go on to the Medicare and health 
care systems in their older age.
  Are those evil concepts? Isn't it true that we would want to have 
people come into our country who have the best chance to succeed? Or do 
we believe the purpose of immigration is simply to allow certain 
businesses that use a lot of low-skilled labor to have all the low-
skilled labor they choose to have? A willing employer and a willing 
worker.
  Professor Borjas says there are millions and millions of people all 
over the world who would be delighted to come here for $7 an hour, 
would love to and would come immediately if they could.
  I was in South America recently. They had a poll in Nicaragua that 
said 60 percent of the people in Nicaragua said they would come to the 
United States if they could. I heard there was one in Peru where 70 
percent of the people said they would come here if they could. What 
about all the other countries, many of them poorer? Many of them would 
have an even greater economic advantage to come to America than those 
people coming from Peru.
  Obviously, more people desire to come than can come.
  They would ask: I am sure you guys have talked about this as you 
dealt with comprehensive immigration reform; what did you all decide?
  My colleagues, we never discuss this issue. We simply expand the 
existing program that this Government has that has failed and only 20 
percent are given preference. We did add a program to give a certain 
number of higher educated people the right to come, but our 
calculations indicate that still only about 20 percent of the people 
who will be coming under the bill we passed will come on under a merit-
based system. Canada has over 60 percent come based on merit. New 
Zealand I think is even higher than that.
  What we want to do, of course, is select people who have a chance to 
be productive, who are going to be successful, who can benefit from the 
American dream. It is so within our grasp. I actually have come to 
believe and am excited about the concept that we actually could do 
comprehensive reform. We can fix our borders. We absolutely can. We 
have already made progress. We are reaching a point where we could 
create a lawful system at our borders.
  In addition to that, we can confront the very tough choices about how 
to deal with people who are here illegally. And finally, we need to 
develop a system for the future flow of immigrants into America.
  I believe the columnist Charles Krauthammer said we should do like 
the National Football League does. We ought to look around the world at 
the millions of people who would like to come to the United States and 
pick the very best draft choices we can pick, pick the ones who will 
help America be a winning team. It will allow people to come into this 
country who are most likely to be successful, who speak our language, 
who want to be a part of this Nation and contribute to it, who have 
proven capabilities that means they can take jobs and be successful at 
them and can assimilate themselves easily into the structure of our 
Government.
  It is exciting to think that possibility is out there. Yes, we have 
been talking about the fence and, yes, the fence can be seen as sort of 
a grim enforcement question, but it is one part of the overall effort 
that we are participating in at this point to create a new system of 
immigration, comprehensively different than we have ever had before, 
one that serves our national interest, one that selects the people who 
want to come here based on their ability to succeed in our country and 
be successful and be harmonious and be able to take advantage of the 
great opportunities this Nation provides.
  It is so exciting to me, but we are going to have to let go of the 
bill that got through this Senate and that the House of Representatives 
would not even look at. The bill was nothing more than a rehash of 
current law, plus amnesty. It was a very, very, very bad piece of 
legislation. A lot of people voted against it, but it passed in this 
body. The House would not talk about it.
  If we would take our blinders off and if we would go back and think 
clearly about how our Nation should do immigration and talk to one 
another, I believe we can make more progress than people realize, and 
the American people could be proud of our system.
  I asked the people in Canada, and I asked the people in Australia: 
How do people feel about this? Are they happy with it? Yes, they are 
proud of it.
  I said: What do you think about us talking about your program?
  They said: We are proud you are looking at our program. We think it 
works. It is a compliment to us that you think there may be some value 
in it.
  I don't know why we never talked about that. We never had a single 
hearing in which the Canadians or Australians were asked to testify. 
These are countries that believe in the rule of law. Both of them say 
they have a high degree of enforcement. Yes, there are people who abuse 
the law, but they have a legal system and it works.
  Canada has workers who come and work for 8 months, and they go back 
home to their families. They can work 6 months; they can work 4 months. 
That is a temporary guest worker program. Then they have an asylum 
program where they take a certain number of people, like we have always 
done, who have been persecuted and oppressed. We will continue to do 
that. That is not a merit-based system. That is a system where we do it 
for humanitarian reasons.
  Fundamentally, the principle of our Nation, as we develop a new 
immigration policy, should be to serve our national interests. I 
believe we have that within our grasp.
  This step of building border barriers is important for two reasons: 
One, it is critical to creating a lawful system. No. 2, it is critical 
to establishing credibility with the American people because they 
rightly doubt our commitment, based on history, to do the right thing 
about immigration. They doubt that we are committed to doing the right 
thing. This is a good step to show them that we are, and then I think 
as we talk about some of these more difficult issues, we can have some 
credibility with our people when we ask them to make some tough 
decisions about how to handle immigration in the future.
  Mr. President, I thank you for the opportunity to share these 
thoughts.

                          ____________________



316 posted on 10/11/2006 2:06:48 PM PDT by Smartass (The stars rule men but God rules the stars)
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To: Ben Ficklin; dennisw; B4Ranch; Smartass; Czar

I said I made a mistake earlier by posting the wrong post. For some reason I went back and read post #103. This is a very important post that I think most of us have ignored:



If you don't know about the US "pushing out its border", does that mean it is not happening?



103 posted on 10/09/2006 3:27:29 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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Ben, I'd like to know if "pushing out its borders" is really happening. I know you are from Texas but don't know which part. As you also said earlier that we are financing much of Mexico. Then you referred to concrete ditches regarding the Rio Grande that is being funded by a Mexican/American fund. To my knowledge there are no concrete ditches from Mission to Brownsville. What location are you talking about? Also, is this fund being used for the southern border of Mexico? Just curious.


317 posted on 10/11/2006 2:07:47 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo; Ben Ficklin; dennisw; B4Ranch; Czar

"If you don't know about the US "pushing out its border", does that mean it is not happening?"

Good point Tex. Actually in his comment, credit Bennie for making our case that there is in fact a NAU "happening."   There's nothing like a useful idiot!

 

318 posted on 10/11/2006 2:18:29 PM PDT by Smartass (The stars rule men but God rules the stars)
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To: Smartass; texastoo

"Virtual fence"
"Pushing out the border"
It's all BS when Bush and the corrupt hacks in DC won't defend the borders we have. It's all a big joke to them. All their illegal alien nannies, landscapers, roofers are just one big freakin' joke in DC. We who care deeply about a sovereign United States of America, we are being played for suckers


319 posted on 10/11/2006 2:26:40 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: Paul Ross
Its Oct 11 and the Chiny Boats are unloading their containers full of Halloween product.

That means nine ninety five costumes and 89 cent plastic jack-o-lanterns to carry all the candy. Ma and Pa Consumer are elated.

320 posted on 10/11/2006 2:35:56 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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