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Torvalds "fed up" with the FSF
Newsforge ^ | September 27, 2006 | Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

Posted on 09/28/2006 6:57:44 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

On Friday Several kernel developers issued a position paper criticizing the GPLv3 drafts. That prompted Software Freedom Law Center (SLFC) chairman Eben Moglen to issue a "renewed invitation" yesterday to kernel developers to participate in the GPLv3 process. Linus Torvalds responded to Moglen's statement by saying that his position on the license is clear and that he's "fed up" with the FSF.

(Excerpt) Read more at trends.newsforge.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: fsf; gebait; ossfoss; pragmatic; torvalds
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To: ThePythonicCow

To a degree. Despite the fact thousands contribute to the Linux kernel, it is indeed Linus who oversees it all. Therefore, it is not improper to state that Linus is the prime mover behind the Linux operating system.

Why?

He is, after all, the BDFL (Benevolent Dictator For Life) on the Linux kernel.


21 posted on 09/28/2006 2:32:24 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere since, er, I don't know when...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
True, he is the BDFL of the kernel. My main point was that the kernel was not "the entire system" (your words). It's just one, rather important, piece of the system. Command line utilities and the compiler suite are also critical.
22 posted on 09/28/2006 2:36:23 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

From how I learned it, the kernel is the mainfray of the system. It is what makes the OS Linux. And while all the other tools sit atop and interact with the operating system in a symbiotic relationship, it is the kernel that effectively defines the operating system.

My point is that with the above in mind, the Linux kernel is the Linux system as it strictly defines the OS. The GNU overland tools can be run in some form on other kernels (e.g. the BSD's, Darwin/Mac OS X, Solaris, Unix, GNU Hurd, etc.)

However, you're right in that there's a problem. One can only compile the Linux kernel using gcc. And usually there has to be some *nix system running.


23 posted on 09/28/2006 2:51:36 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere since, er, I don't know when...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
Yes - the kernel is the operating system. It's somewhat like the engine of a car, being one of the most critical pieces, though one that naive users don't pay much mind to.
24 posted on 09/28/2006 3:09:29 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

You're missing the obvious basic logic that Linux needs Stallman's software to fully operate. Stallmans code will run on lots of software other than Linux, meaning Linux has a dependency on Stallman, not the other way around. Torvalds is no dictator either, whether he likes the sound of that or not, else he could switch away from Stallman if he had differences in philosophy, but obviously he can't.

My recommendation is use Unix instead, and leave these foreign/freeware clone headaches behind.


25 posted on 09/28/2006 4:28:27 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Right.

I see what you're getting at though...8^)


26 posted on 09/28/2006 8:08:29 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere since, er, I don't know when...)
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To: Golden Eagle; ThePythonicCow

I use Unix at school and Linux at home.

Does what I need it to--and does the best job. Which is IMHO the most important design and usage criterion of an OS.

Now I'm just studying what makes it all tick (read: technical nitty-gritty) in my spare time and on my own volition...


27 posted on 09/28/2006 8:14:13 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere since, er, I don't know when...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

Essentially. And good for him.(torvalds)

We don't want nor need Stallman's crooked ideology.


28 posted on 09/29/2006 8:39:11 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Linux, the #2 OS. Mac, the #3 OS. That's why Picasa is on Linux and not Mac.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Exactly.


29 posted on 09/29/2006 12:28:54 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere since, er, I don't know when...)
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To: Golden Eagle
Linux needs Stallman's software to fully operate.

You've got a point there. But without the Linux kernel, GNU doesn't have a complete "free" O/S, so Stallman would have a dependency somewhere else. (Merkey perhaps... that would be fun. ;-)

As long as Torvalds has a choice of which version of the GPL he can use, he should be happy (IMHO).

30 posted on 09/30/2006 6:01:28 AM PDT by TechJunkYard (if you've ever seen my house..)
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To: TechJunkYard


Yes they would, GNU can run on free versions of UNIX. They are even working on their own kernel, where does Torvalds stand on writing his own compiler?


31 posted on 09/30/2006 4:13:20 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
What Unix would Stallman consider "free"?
32 posted on 09/30/2006 8:21:56 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (if you've ever seen my house..)
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To: TechJunkYard

The kernel he is working on, called "hurd".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd

It can run on other Unixes as well, including BSD and Open Solaris, not that I would recommend any of his crap.


33 posted on 10/01/2006 5:46:23 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Among a sea of lunatics, Linus Torvalds keeps Linux a usuable option for the public. If it were up to RMS, the whole open source movement would be brought to kneel before the dogmas of the FSF. They can't force Torvalds to use version 3. If they could force them, BSD would would replace Linux in the mindshare wars, and the kernel devs know it.
34 posted on 10/02/2006 6:20:20 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: ThePythonicCow

So in a nutshell, Stallman basically betrayed the very Free Software Movement he started up in the first place? Sounds like the Vince McMahon angle where he brought the NWO to the WWF.

Vince McMahon: I’m not gunna let Ric Flair kill my creation! If anybody’s gonna kill my creation, it’s ME! I’m gonna INJECT a LETHAL DOSE of POISON! Me, and, the N-W-O.

:)


35 posted on 08/04/2007 11:27:15 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("I'm not some candy-assed white liberal looking to turn you into better citizens." - Martin Querns)
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