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ESPN's Bush (Reggie) Poll Shows Two Different Americas
Sweetness & Light ^ | September 17, 2006 | N/A

Posted on 09/17/2006 9:34:57 AM PDT by Sam Hill

A ESPN poll asks what punishment, if any, Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush should incur for having been paid during his college career.

The results so far look strangely familiar:

(The gray areas represent states where the vote was too close to make a call.)

It's beginning to look more and more like the US is comprised of two different countries.

One that believes in playing by the rules, and one that doesn't.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: carrollsclowns; cheating; collegefootball; fraud; moralabsolutes; pac10criminals; reggiebush
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To: Mr. Mojo
Supposedly, Bush was running around campus in a brand new SUV. I find it highly unlikely that coaches and the university didn't suspect what was going on. The new tactic is to create "plausible deniability" on the part of the university by having the payola done by boosters who have no paper trail connection to the university.

If the NCAA REALLY wanted to clean up college athletics, they'd make the scholarship players work study students, paid at the same rate as other work study students on campus, and limited to twenty hours per week total participation in the sports program (including games.) According to the University of Texas, when I was a student there, it was impractical to expect a student carrying a full-time course load to be able to work more than twenty hours a week and maintain their academic standing.

Of course, it would also make sense if student athletes also would have to be eligible for academic entry into the colleges they attend. Most people today know that the majority of big time athletic programs are semi-pro teams with only economic ties to their university. College baseball has been relatively unscathed because anyone good enough to make money playing generally goes to a minor league professional team.

21 posted on 09/17/2006 10:06:11 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

"..voting based on how such sanctions would affect their team." Please tell us how sanctions against Bush/USC would affect any team from UT, WY, ID, ND, SD, CO, KS, NE, NM, MT, MO, IL, MS, MN, NC, SC and other green states. Your "reasonable explanation" is nothing of the sort.


22 posted on 09/17/2006 10:10:52 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

I was having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. Your post did it.


23 posted on 09/17/2006 10:13:46 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Actually there is a precedence for taking away a NCAA team title for using an ineligible player. In 1999, the UCLA softball team used an Australian player named Tanya Harding (same name as the skater/criminal, hard to believe, but true). She was the Bruin's No. 1 pitcher in a pitcher-dominated sport. UCLA beat Arizona for the NCAA Title. Afterwards, it was found that Harding, who was enrolled for only one semester, had never even attended class at UCLA. The NCAA stripped UCLA of the title, but did not award Arizona with the championship.


24 posted on 09/17/2006 10:14:57 AM PDT by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: diogenes ghost
Please tell us how sanctions against Bush/USC would affect any team from UT, WY, ID, ND, SD, CO, KS, NE, NM, MT, MO, IL, MS, MN, NC, SC and other green states. Your "reasonable explanation" is nothing of the sort.

The national champions ship is national, which means:

1. If USC were stripped of the title, their teams moves up one notch for that season. That's minor.

2. More significantly, if USC is sanctioned that will make them a weaker team and give teams in most of the green states a better shot at the national championship. They'd also get a better shot at recruits who are considering USC.

25 posted on 09/17/2006 10:18:37 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: Sam Hill

Flyover country just hates USC because they're jealous.


26 posted on 09/17/2006 10:19:47 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Sam Hill

Not surprising in the least! That said, imagine the uproar from the West coast and the Northeast if this were an SEC team instead. There would be daily articles in the NY Slimes, SF Chronicle, and other rags denouncing the players, teams, fans, schools, and heck, even their dogs.

I guess the rules are different when you belong to protected conferences like the PAC-10.


27 posted on 09/17/2006 10:25:14 AM PDT by indcons (Freepmail "indcons" to get on/off the military history ping list.)
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To: MikefromOhio

Ping


28 posted on 09/17/2006 10:25:59 AM PDT by indcons (Freepmail "indcons" to get on/off the military history ping list.)
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To: Sam Hill
I think the sports columnists are going way overboard with calling for ridiculous punishments against USC and Bush. These goodies were given by parasites trying to become Bush's agent. BIG DEAL.

Bush was not paid by USC to attend the school
Bush was not paid by an NFL franchise to collude in the draft.
The agents are now suing Bush saying he promised they would represent him, proving that they were only in this to extort money from him.
It was clear from age 10 that Reggie Bush would be one of the greatest athletes in history. Why shouldn't he benefit from his talents. NO ONE WAS HURT by the agents greedy (and foolish, since they didn't get his business) largesse.

29 posted on 09/17/2006 10:27:59 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Sam Hill
One that believes in playing by the rules, and one that doesn't.

Oh stop being such a paintywaist. Leave Bush alone to pursue his brilliant career, and leave USC alone to enjoy its legacy. The time to deal with this was at the time. Not now. Reggie Bush didn't do anything wrong. He is an athlete. That is his job. He does it brilliantly. Only a jealous wimp would cry about this trivial matter after the fact.

30 posted on 09/17/2006 10:33:06 AM PDT by montag813
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To: GreenAccord
when it was determined he was paid for his participation,

Please clarify:
The version of the story I heard, is that at some earlier time, Thorpe had been paid $5 to participate in a baseball game, which was not an Olympic sport.

31 posted on 09/17/2006 10:33:06 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a lot of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Does it say somewhere in the rules that if a college player receives cash and gifts from marketing agents that his individual awards (in his case, the Heisman) are to be taken away and that the team he played for (which, btw, didn't break any rules) is to be stripped of national championship titles (if they won any)?

Finally, some sense. This stupid brouhaha reminds me of the goody goody tattletale kids in school that everyone (rightly) detested. Most of those kids had no talent themselves and grew up to be IRS agents or Patrick Fitzgerald.

32 posted on 09/17/2006 10:35:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

"Oh stop being such a paintywaist. Leave Bush alone to pursue his brilliant career, and leave USC alone to enjoy its legacy. The time to deal with this was at the time. Not now. Reggie Bush didn't do anything wrong. He is an athlete. That is his job. He does it brilliantly. Only a jealous wimp would cry about this trivial matter after the fact."

Get a grip. I don't know Reggie Bush from Adam.

I think the poll represents a divide in a way of thinking. Perhaps that is too subtle for you.


33 posted on 09/17/2006 10:40:08 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Here is my nuance.

Bush should give up the Heisman.

No sanctions against USC unless complicity is shown.

Sanctions against USC is like reparations against all white men for slavery. It is stupid.


34 posted on 09/17/2006 10:55:40 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Sam Hill

I just hope that USC sues both agent groups involved in this thing. First of all, it's a great public relations move for the school, because these guys were perfectly willing to break the rules and put everyone in jeopardy. Second, this would serve as a disincentive for similar situations to occur in the future. The start-up group New Era Marketing may not have assets, but that slimeball Ornstein will certainly have assets and he should be pummelled.


35 posted on 09/17/2006 10:58:42 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: Mr. Mojo

Heisman goes to the best college player.

If Bush received a lot of cash, that would make him closer to being a pro than an amateur. If he receives something minor (like Luke Walton who received a plane ticket from his dad but still illegal because his dad is affiliated with the NBA.), then he is still an amateur (Walton was suspended for 1 college game for the plane ticket).

How much is too much ? I don't know.


36 posted on 09/17/2006 10:59:44 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: indcons
I guess the rules are different when you belong to protected conferences like the PAC-10.

Yes the rules are different. The SEC schools are generally inferior in their emphasis on education than the Big 10, ACC, Pac-10. Just check out the test scores.

This also applies to SEC graduation rates of their athletes in general.

So yes, a person who has a relatively clean record gets a lighter sentence than someone with a checkered past would get for the same crime.

37 posted on 09/17/2006 11:04:06 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Sam Hill

Would you like a poll that read, "If President Bush lied about WMD in Iraq, should he be impeached?"


38 posted on 09/17/2006 12:02:29 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

"Would you like a poll that read, "If President Bush lied about WMD in Iraq, should he be impeached?""

Who said I liked the poll?

I was just interested in the geographical breakdown of the respondents.

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Whatever happened to intelligent discourse and analysis? Sheesh.


39 posted on 09/17/2006 12:12:41 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: GadareneDemoniac

"The great liberal dream is a life without consequences."

Plus no judgement of anything done by a liberal or a liberal person of so called color.

Of course conservatives of all colors are guilty of hate crimes for asking for consequences and judgement of what is against the laws and rules.


40 posted on 09/17/2006 1:04:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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