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A reality check for Vista (Microsoft's New OS)
CNN.COM ^ | 9-8-06 | Owen Thomas

Posted on 09/08/2006 6:26:11 AM PDT by Hydroshock

SAN FRANCISCO (Business 2.0 Magazine) -- Judging by the grief that Microsoft is getting over delays in the release of Windows Vista, and the buzz surrounding the price it plans to charge for the next generation operating system, you'd think we were all hankering to get our hands on this hot new piece of software.

Don't believe the hype: There won't be lines around the block at midnight when Vista hits store shelves early next year, analysts say.

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"I don't expect anyone's going to be camping out at Best Buy waiting for this product," says Citigroup equity research analyst Brent Thill. "I think the pace of adoption will be slower than the market expects."

They can get it for you wholesale

Microsoft (Charts) gets more than 80 percent of its $13 billion in annual Windows revenue from PC makers, who install the operating system on new PCs. The cost of Windows - estimated at around $70 - is included in the price we pay when we buy a new PC. The proportion of people who buy copies of Windows at retail to install on their PCs is vanishingly small.

And the version of Windows that those retail customers have on their PC hardly figures into the equation. By and large, we buy a new PC when we need another one.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


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To: GRRRRR
I didn't have to do a thing except type in my WEP PW.

Hey, if you want an OS with no business software to speak of (or anything fancier than multimedia), sounds like you have landed.

I am happy for you.

61 posted on 09/08/2006 5:10:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: freedumb2003

The only business software I need is OPEN Office, it works with WORD and XL. But I still have my XP machine if I feel like doing homework.

I got the MAC so could do more digital photography and videos.
Plus, it is not nearly as susceptable to malware, viruses and the like. It's weird not having to run anti-spyware, virus checks etc., just using the built in firewall and with my router stuff in place...it's invisible.

My last five PC's have been all hand made and I was considering building a dual-core AMD machine as my next project. After checking around, the iMac dual Core Intel machines seemed a good buy, since a PC with all the bells and whistles was going to cost me about $3,200. The iMac has everything I wanted for only $2,000.

So, right now I'm on the iMac and the XP box is running the TV monitor...life is good.


62 posted on 09/08/2006 5:17:19 PM PDT by GRRRRR (Love America? Protect Her, VOTE GOP...they're better than nothing.)
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To: Obadiah
I too will make the plunge to APPLE.
I want a dual G5. In the past I had a G3 when they first came out, my son uses it today.
I had enough if windows blue screen, lock ups reboots and virus and worms, spy ware etc.
I had recently bought a mac mini and I like it, but it can't do what I want (home studio) so there is the need for a dual G5. Only problem is the price about $3,500. I'm working on it though
63 posted on 09/08/2006 5:36:23 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (the people shouldn't fear their Gov. The Gov. should fear the people)
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To: laotzu

Microsoft is supporting XP?


64 posted on 09/08/2006 5:41:37 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: dubie

Don't feel bad. We all had only 5 years of experience, once upon a time...mine was 30 years ago, however.


65 posted on 09/08/2006 5:44:20 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Hydroshock

We don't get our operating systems at the store anymore. The OS comes with the computer and I'm sure that I'll be using Vista on the computers I buy next year.


66 posted on 09/08/2006 5:45:51 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Redleg Duke

Yeah, I see I am REALLY in diapers... I was born in 1974... I was a self employed beekeeper for most of my adult life until just severeal years ago when I went to school for computers. I landed a pc janitor job while in school and progressed very fast until I landed a jr admin job and now admin... I like it but yes, I do have a LONG way to go...


67 posted on 09/08/2006 5:50:51 PM PDT by dubie
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To: Obadiah

Yep, I hear ya. When the POS I have now goes (probably in a few months), I'm strongly looking into a Mac. Probably Intel duo, but I'd also look at the G5 models.

As it is, I try to use the Macs in the lab when I can. Or ssh/NX into my crappy pee-cee running SLED.


68 posted on 09/08/2006 5:54:10 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (II Computers 3:14))
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To: dubie
Enjoy the journey, Grasshoppy! I remember as a young engineer when I read in a trade journal about a device called the Intel 4004. I realized that it was like the transistor, something that would profoundly change the world.

You know why they developed the microprocessor, don't you? It was to sell solid state memory! In order to develop a demand that would justify the scale they needed to justify the solid state memory, they needed many more computers than they could then build...hence, the micro-processor!

69 posted on 09/08/2006 6:00:10 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Doohickey; dubie
I think his resume is fine and lends credibiity to his assessment. What's your resume, Doohickey?

The last two installations I made were Novell's SLED 10 linux distribution. I love it. I'm even getting back into command line operations--and I am not a software engineer.

I will stay with linux, allow my Windows XP installations to die, and will never make the switch to hyperexpensive bloatware from the Borg in Redmond.

70 posted on 09/08/2006 6:12:39 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: freedumb2003
Heck, I have CHEESE in my freezer with more time than that.

Give it a little more time and a lot of blind chance. Maybe it'll evolve into a frenchman.

71 posted on 09/08/2006 6:15:43 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Give it a little more time and a lot of blind chance. Maybe it'll evolve into a frenchman.

LOL -- Well, it'll have the stink part down ;)

72 posted on 09/08/2006 6:34:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: JCEccles

Thanks...

I am just getting back to Linux. I go through phases... a few years ago I started on redhat, went to fedora... then tried suse and now found Ubuntu... I never got hard core into it because I always found myself needing some program that was only available on windows. I just installed ubuntu which makes gui linux REALLY easy. I am amazed at how far linux has come... truly amazing...


73 posted on 09/08/2006 6:36:58 PM PDT by dubie
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To: JCEccles
I will stay with linux, allow my Windows XP installations to die, and will never make the switch to hyperexpensive bloatware from the Borg in Redmond.

For corporate stuff, Linux is gaining HUGE support. I am going to a convention/training next week and one of the BIG topics is running Linux on IBM's HUGE p-series POWER machines.

I like Linux (but I have alwsys like Unix-esque stuff).

But Wintel has its place as well. LIke everything, it is all a question of the frame of reference.

74 posted on 09/08/2006 6:38:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: freedumb2003

The first coding I ever did was in assembly language on an IBM 1620.


75 posted on 09/08/2006 6:38:31 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Redleg Duke
Microsoft is supporting XP?

LOL!

76 posted on 09/08/2006 6:39:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: Hydroshock

I'll follow the same rule I've been following since Win95, wait 6 months. If there are no major problems, then take a look at it.

The old rule of thumb used to be never buy a Microsoft product whose version ended in a 0.


77 posted on 09/08/2006 6:39:57 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: tacticalogic
The first coding I ever did was in assembly language on an IBM 1620.

Heir to the 1401?

78 posted on 09/08/2006 6:39:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: Redleg Duke
You know why they developed the microprocessor, don't you? It was to sell solid state memory! In order to develop a demand that would justify the scale they needed to justify the solid state memory, they needed many more computers than they could then build...hence, the micro-processor!

IIRC, the predecessor to the x86 dynasty was the 8008, a chip built to enable a CRT to be usable on multiple type of mainframes or minicomputers.

79 posted on 09/08/2006 6:43:24 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: freedumb2003
Heir to the 1401?

I think so. It still had the ferrite donut grid memory core.

80 posted on 09/08/2006 6:45:18 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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