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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect Karr - Case Thread 2
FRee Republic ^ | 8/28/06 | FReepers, et alii

Posted on 08/28/2006 9:01:50 AM PDT by Rte66

This is a reference thread with links to previous FR threads discussing the arrest of a suspect, John Mark Karr, in the decade-old cold case concerning the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, plus case resources for continued commentary on investigation of the crime.


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To: Valpal1

they cannot account for Karr on 12/24, 12/25, 12/26 and most likely up to Jan 4, 1997. There is no proof of where he was or was not.


301 posted on 08/29/2006 9:28:49 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: stlnative

what is most amazing about Lacy - she simply refuses to accept that Karr is simply a kook. a sicko who researched all this stuff on the internet, and became engrossed in it, and was egged on in all these emails et al, to exchange it. she lends ZERO credence to this simple concept.


302 posted on 08/29/2006 9:32:31 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: stlnative

And his future as a celebrity suspect is now assured.


303 posted on 08/29/2006 9:34:25 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Valpal1; oceanview
I am taking it that he really cannot be ruled out and that he will remain a suspect. Because the male DNA may have been foreign (from a sneeze that came from a factory worker, for example) or it might be the killer's DNA.

Lacy now acknowledges that she does not think Karr is the killer but at what point she came to that conclusion is unknown.
304 posted on 08/29/2006 9:42:03 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: stlnative

Lacy just said that she believes he did not commit the crime. perhaps someone in her office, perhaps there is one sane person there who finally went to her and said "what the hell are we doing, this guy is a sicko who was egged on in these correspondences. let it go".

the case against Karr, is closed.


305 posted on 08/29/2006 9:45:50 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview; stlnative
the case against Karr, is closed.

In the real world yes, in the internet world of tin foil conspiracies, it will never be closed.

And this scumbag will find a way to profit from it, just like the tabloids have for the last 10 years. The victimization of the Ramseys seems permanent to me. I wonder if Burke thinks about changing his name?

306 posted on 08/29/2006 9:56:25 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: oceanview

Karr may have not been involved in the JonBenet case. But this man is a predator and should not be allowed around children. I do not think all his fantasies are dreamed up. I believe that he is a pedophile and that he has acted on his fantasies and desires in the past. In other words in my opinion Karr has child victims out there someplace and hopefully the parents or these children have come forth and went to their local authorities.


307 posted on 08/29/2006 10:02:28 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

who knows? You still think Karr did the crime? I don't think he did now since the DNA does not match, but I will never think the Ramsey's did this!


308 posted on 08/29/2006 10:46:21 AM PDT by Halls (Proud to be called a Daughter of Texas!)
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To: Halls

I don't think he did it. I was always rather skeptical about him, but did think it was possible. I do wonder if he could be in contact with the person who did. The one thing that makes me question that is if SBTC was indeed written on his letters to his ex wife.


309 posted on 08/29/2006 11:04:54 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

My skepticism about SBTC and JMK had to do with the fact that the phrase "...saved by the conquerer..." was just lifted out of the middle of a sentence as opposed to being a stand-alone sign-off. So, I thought about that and wondered what would happen if I randomly grabbed a book off the shelf and looked for the same acronym appearing in a phrase embedded in any sentence. Surely by page 400 or so I would find a match. In fact, by page 21 I had one. I think this was just a coincidence. I was willing to accept that it *could* have significance but I also realized it might just be coincidence.

If we find this phrase somewhere else, say in a letter to his ex-wife, then I could see that it is something more. But to date I haven't seen a document like that.


310 posted on 08/29/2006 11:18:04 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

BTW, I would encourage others to try the same thing and see what you get. It won't take long.


311 posted on 08/29/2006 11:24:38 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: onyx; stlnative; MizSterious; null and void; gridlock; hershey; hoosiermama; PilloryHillary; ...



ADDENDUM #8
Mon., 8/28/06 thru Tue, 8/29/06




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691980/posts
Caption Rita Cosby
National Review-The Corner | 8/29/06 | None

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691812/posts
Karr Wants Depp to play him in award winning movie
The Smoking Gun ^ Posted on 08/29/2006

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691737/posts
Owens blasts Boulder County DA
The Rocky Mountain News ^ | August 28, 2006 | Lynn Bartels

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691661/posts
Mainstream Media Found Dead Under a Karr
60Gunner | August 28, 2006

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691537/posts
JonBenet suspect to face child porn charges in Calif.
RMN ^ | August 28, 2006

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691531/posts
Karr cleared in JonBenet Ramsey case
MSNBC & AP ^ | August 28, 2006

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691488/posts
DNA of Ramsey murder suspect fails to match: report
Breitbart.com ^ | 28 Aug 06 | Breitbart.com

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691464/posts
Karr Won't Be Charged In JonBenet Case
CBS ^ | 8/28/2006 | Rick Sallenger

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691455/posts
John Mark Karr--DNA NOT A MATCH--DA will not press charges
WIOD--SCHNITT SHOW | today | SCHNITT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691256/posts
No Escaping Sexualization of Young Girls
LATimes.com ^ | August 25, 2006

[Karr Case Document Index at DA website]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/newsroom/templates/?a=569&z=13
[Karr Case Document Index of pdf files]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/dl/Documents.htm
[Karr Arrest Warrant download -pdf 98 pages - opens in Adobe reader]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/dl/Arrest%20Warrant.pdf
[Karr Case - Tracey Emails download - pdf 420 pages - opens in Adobe]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/dl/E-mails%20scanned.pdf
[Karr Case - Daxis front page -pdf download - opens in Adobe][??]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/dl/Daxis%20first%20page.pdf
[Karr Case - audio files - Index][wav files of 11 phone calls between Tracey and Daxis]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/dl/PhoneCalls.htm

[Karr Case documents at The Smoking Gun]
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0828061karr1.html


312 posted on 08/29/2006 11:26:28 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Valpal1

>>>the case against Karr, is closed.>>>

I think it would be funny (not funny in a haha, but funny ironic) if he really DID do it.

Want to not be executed, claim you WANT to be executed and deny appeals.

Want to get away with murder? Claim to have done it and act really weird when you do. Then get your family to say you were there with them producing a photo that might have been that year and claim that someone you were related to is in the photo, so there's your proof.

Wow, I should write a crime book on how to get away with the perfect murder.


313 posted on 08/29/2006 11:33:03 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: stlnative

Yeah, I noticed in the small part of the press conference that I saw, Keenan-Lacy said that Lara and JMK were essentially "estranged" at the time of JBR's death.

That was the first I'd heard that. Some people had said they were sleeping separately the last 5 years of marriage, but that didn't tell me whether they were ever out of each other's sight for very long, i.e., at the Christmas holidays.

"Estranged" sounds to me like separate living arrangements, as in homes.


314 posted on 08/29/2006 11:40:07 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
Thank you for all the pings and your work on the keeping track of the all the FR Ramsey related threads over these these past 2 weeks.

I have feeling that this story will take sometime before it completely dries up in the media, but could you please "remove" my name from your Ramsey case ping list. This includes anything else that may include Karr or his family that is put out there by the media.

My final thoughts are:
Lacy did the right thing even though Karr turned out not to be JonBenet's killer. Karr is a pedophile and I am glad that he has been exposed to the world. Hopefully he will get the 5 years on the child porn charges and will be required to register as a predator once he gets out. LE/FBI now have a full DNA profile on Karr that can be entered into the DNA Database (CODIS) and to me that is not such bad thing, due to Karr exposing his pedophile ways and fantasies to others. Karr has no one to blame but himself.

I still do not believe that any of the Ramsey's killed JonBenet and that CO LE jumped on this theory too fast and that is why this case still remains unsolved. The person who killed JonBenet is a creature that is very close to being like John Mark Karr but most likely he is some that knows the family in some shape or form. The ransom note was a ruse and I believe the killer is a pedophile or wanna be pedophile, but his intention was to kill JonBenet to get back at John Ramsey for reasons only known by the killer.

Thanks again!
315 posted on 08/29/2006 11:51:14 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: Rte66

That bothers me. Because the Christmas alibi is essentially useless without dated photo evidence of his presence.

Being excluded from the DNA doesn't exclude him as a suspect because they don't actually know that the DNA is sourced from the perp, only that it could be.

Which means he will capitalize on his infamy. And Hollyweird/MSM will feed his (and others) sickness.


316 posted on 08/29/2006 11:58:54 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Valpal1

WTH? You really hate me, don't you?


317 posted on 08/29/2006 12:29:30 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: stlnative

Sure - name removed. I doubt there will be much further FR discussion on this. Thanks for your contributions, above and beyond the call of duty in seeking justice for JonBenet. Take care.


318 posted on 08/29/2006 12:34:30 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Valpal1

I honestly agree with you that the failure to match DNA shouldn't exonerate Karr on its own but the failure to come up with *anything else* other than his own bizarre statements means they could never win a conviction.

This actually happens in police work all the time - they have somebody who "looks" guilty but they just have nothing solid to pin the case on him. The cops usually just bide their time until they can find something that breaks the case open.

FWIW, I don't think Karr was anywhere near the murder site and I still believe, as I have going on nine years, that the Ramseys *know* the killer and have covered up for him/her. I can't tell you who that person is - it might not even be the immediate family - but the Ramseys have from the beginning been a family that doesn't act like they want the truth known.

The fact that Lin Wood was prancing before microphones even while the news first broke that Karr was in custody was partly what fueled my suspicion. If he had shut up and waited for an appropriate time to speak, the arrest would not have seemed like a PR move.

From what I read about Karr, he's definitely a pedophile and I don't doubt that his DNA sample will wind up matching some poor child's assault somewhere but, in my opinion, most people who become obsessed with a particular crime do so because they want to learn who did it - not because they themselves did it. A person who did the crime is trying to find out what law enforcement knows so they can avoid detection but their questions are going to be different than the ones of somebody who is trying to "get close" to the crime as Karr clearly did.


319 posted on 08/29/2006 1:11:39 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: ableLight

Oh...I agree with you on the "Shall be the Conquerer" phrase. If the ex had letters that were specifically signed with SBTC, that would raise my suspicions. I don't know that any have been produced.


320 posted on 08/29/2006 1:12:13 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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