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Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers
NY Times ^ | Published: August 25, 2006 | By DUFF WILSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER

Posted on 08/24/2006 8:01:43 PM PDT by Perdogg

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To: abb
Some more bloggery (is that a word?) here:

Not sure if it is yet. But if you get enough people to say it I guess it will be. ;)

281 posted on 08/26/2006 8:27:16 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead

Lol, behold the beauty of the English language...


282 posted on 08/26/2006 8:28:49 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
Nifong supporters were equally vocal. One said the article "puts a dent in the sinister agenda of the prosecution's naysayers." Another said The Times' story "proves what will come as no surprise to anyone with a brain: the defense team these Good Old Boys bought has been ruthless in their exaggeration of this case's supposed flimsiness."

Just who are these "Nifong Supporters" that are quoted in this article? I just love the way the MSM throws in statements like that. It is like the statement that "outside experts say it is possible for a rapist to leave no DNA"(What?!). This is the drive-by media at its best (worst): make outrageous, inflammatory statements that are unsupported by fact and unsourced. It's a good thing I haven't had my breakfast yet...

283 posted on 08/26/2006 8:30:06 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Jezebelle

I know what you are saying. The most important things is for Judge Smith to know the law and follow it in this case.


284 posted on 08/26/2006 8:45:06 AM PDT by JLS
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To: muawiyah

Recall sounds more logical, don't know the case, but a cop trying to stop kids that were high and trying to get out of paying their bill (some places take that out of the waiters pay, thats fair huh? work to serve them and then have to pay for their meal, anyway...) and you don't want that kind of cop in your area? Send him here, that is exactly the kind of cop I want in my area.


285 posted on 08/26/2006 8:58:31 AM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: abb
Gottlieb's work of fiction is more to mitigate against the upcoming civil suits than to prop up the prosecution's case.

I agree that is one thing his notes seem to do. I am not sure he was thinking of that, but I bet he was thinking of the lies told to get the warrants.
286 posted on 08/26/2006 9:10:22 AM PDT by JLS
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To: pepperhead

Of course Judge Stephens refused to order that they be maintained.


287 posted on 08/26/2006 9:22:15 AM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Now that's a very important point that I had forgotten. Proof positive that Stephens and Titus are filthy dirty. The evidence is still out on Smith...


288 posted on 08/26/2006 9:27:39 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: JLS

Where would we find the transcript that shows the motion and ruling?


289 posted on 08/26/2006 9:29:17 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

Look for a transcript of the first hearing in the case, ie the "Dead Man Walking" hearing. A defense attorney asks for an order to have all the notes perserved along with discovery of entire files. Stephens found not reason to issue such an order.

It was maybe not a big enough point to have made news coveraged. That underlines what you miss when cameras are banned.


290 posted on 08/26/2006 9:52:05 AM PDT by JLS
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To: abb
Where would we find the transcript that shows the motion and ruling?

I don't have the transcript but here is an article from WRAL re: preservation of notes.

http://www.wral.com/dukelacrosseheadlines/9236151/detail.html

A judge did grant Osborn's request to preserve the notes and records written by police officers involved in the case.

Here is Osborne's motion concerning notes.

http://kirkosborn.com/Motions/MotionforPreservationofNotes.pdf

291 posted on 08/26/2006 9:58:55 AM PDT by I want to know
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To: old and cranky

No. He leapd in front of a car. Then killed a passenger in that car. He was off duty.


292 posted on 08/26/2006 10:01:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: I want to know

Thanks! So the motion WAS granted. We will need to see Gottlieb's 3 pages of notes...


293 posted on 08/26/2006 10:04:54 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

Here's the NandO's story. Nothing in it about that motion - I'm going to watch the video to double check...


294 posted on 08/26/2006 10:11:51 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb; I want to know

The video time counter counts backwards. Start listening about 6:45 left in the video.

After ordering the police note be preserved, Stephens refuses to order that police turn their notes over to the DA's office so they would then be available in discovery. Thus, this refusal led directly to no one having the 3 pages of notes that Gottlieb either had or made up not being known at the earliest possible point in time and allowed Gottlieb to message them.


295 posted on 08/26/2006 10:16:01 AM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

oops, message should have been massage.


296 posted on 08/26/2006 10:19:34 AM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Well, there it is. WRAL got half the story correct. Only by US having a video record were we able to find out what really happened.

I'm telling you people, I don't like this video blackout of the hearings ONE DAMN BIT. The reporters CANNOT be depended on to get it right. Or they lie. Or they just make it up. And do you want to depend on the court reporter to accurately transcribe the thing? Who signs his/her paycheck?


297 posted on 08/26/2006 10:22:02 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: muawiyah

Funny how your story is different from Recalls. Was he working security? As a security officer is he just suppose to wave at people leaving without paying their bill? If a officer steps in front of your car are you suppose to a) go faster, b) slow down or c) stop?

A few of the officers in Durham aside, I would put my trust in them over someone trying to skip out on a bill.


298 posted on 08/26/2006 11:14:42 AM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: old and cranky
This particular cop was OFF DUTY. He was working security at an I-Hop just off I-395 on the late shift.

I know the parking lot very well. The cop had to go out of his way to get himself "in the way", and the driver has to maneuver a bit to "get out".

I fail to see the justification for a security guard shooting a passenger.

We had another shooting a few years back where a Prince George's County cop followed the wrong SUV from University of Maryland over here into Virginia. One thing led to another and the cop shot and killed the student driving the SUV.

The "forces of law and order" connived to hold the PG cop blameless although he was from out of state and had no business over here in Fairfax County shooting anybody.

The Commonwealth's Attorney who let that schmuck off also decided that Amir Ali Kanzi, the fellow who shot up a bunch of people at the CIA in 1992 was just a criminal. Actually, he was in the vanguard of what turned out to be the AlQaida operation that crashed a plane into the Pentagon.

They could do better, particularly in supervising cops as they cross statelines tailing people or in prosecuting Islamofascist terrorists. When it comes to shooting unarmed people in parking lots, ...... well, that's a whole 'nuther matter. We haven't eaten at I-Hop since that time, and you shouldn't either. The numbnuts they hire to guard their buildings will shoot you where you sit.

299 posted on 08/26/2006 11:37:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: abb

Most likely for the criminal trial.


300 posted on 08/26/2006 11:46:02 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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