Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
I gre up around people like the Ramsey's. Patsey is a strong woman, loving mother, and her daughter Jonbenet was everything to her. She would have died for that child if need be. She didn't commit this crime and I don't believe John did either.
Since this was in 1996, the caliber was most likely 9mm (maybe .40 S&W). Recoil wouldn't have been that much. I was out just 3 weeks ago with a buddy, shooting his compact Glock in .45ACP, and even it was very controllable...not much recoil at all. And in any case, because of the direction of the gun, recoil would have been straight away from the victim, to the victim's left.
I would think he was wanting to do CPR even though he probably already knew she was dead. You don't lay someone on a couch to get give them CPR, you lay them on a flat floor as that is better. But who knows why she laid her on the floor. Who cares though? You think that points to his guilt?
There are a million little pieces....that may or may not fit.
I suspect we will never know the truth of this little girl's murder.
Thanks pollyannaish. You're a good debater and conversationalit. I think when people get really, shall we say, blatant in their objections, they're saying more about their own insecurities than the weakness of a theory or whatever. But only one poster did that so far, so, for a newbie making his first post I guess I've done okay :-)
Thanks for the tips.
I didn't say it pointed to his guilt. I just never heard an explanation. Did Ramsey think she was still alive? Did he attempt CPR? Did he figure out by himself that she was dead? Did someone have to tell him that she was dead?
Just questions...
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Thanks for the list!
I think you might be right, which I think is the weakest part of that theory. So, it's well taken.
Duh!
I haven't read all about him: I thought he was in trouble for some financial crime.
:-) There goes MY theory.
(thank you!)
If it was both, a conjuction would be used not a preposition. Cause of death is asphyxiation and cranial trauma.
Because of the lack of bleeding, it cannot be shown that she was struck first before being strangled, she was struck while being strangled at or very near the point of death and possibly even after death. There is plenty of evidence of asphyxiation from the petechial hemorrhage noted in the autopsy.
"The real killer is still on the loose."
No, the real killer is residing in a grave right next to her victim.
Right, which is basically saying;
If it were both it would have read "cause of death is asphyxiation and associated craniocerebral trauma". The key word there is "and". This, of course, assumes that the coroner was up to all these grammatical subtleties. Given no blood she must have been strangled first. That probably rules accident out completely.
But if you're right, then it seems to me, and I'm just thinking aloud, that she was indeed kidnapped, removed from the home, probably before 10 p.m., murdered and returned to the basement of her home. This would suggest someone had a key to the house (too much ballyhoo with the basement window). The reason I say all this is because I think the later you push her death into the night the more problems you'll see with the forensics evidence regarding putrefaction and rigor.
But I still wonder about the pineapple in her system? She couldn't have been asleep by 9:30 when they got home as Patsy claimed.
Your thoughts?
It would be nice if you had some evidence to prove that. The police and DA didn't have a shred of evidence to even bring an indictment against her and a grand jury judge reviewed the evidence and said that it indicated that an unknown intruder killed JonBenet. But, I guess you know better with all your rumors than the judge with all the evidence.
I don't know anything about this.
Sorry, this individual is really sick.
He is in business class.
"But, I guess you know better with all your rumors than the judge with all the evidence."
There's a sucker born every minute. What you lack is a penchant for the obvious.
By Mathew Scott August 21, 2006 01:00am
THE man who confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey had another bizarre secret up his sleeve in the months before his arrest - he was visiting a surgical centre that specialises in sex-change operations.
Staff at the Pratunam Clinic, Thailand's top transgender centre, confirmed 41-year-old John Mark Karr was a patient of theirs - but wouldn't say how close he was to getting "sexual reassignment" surgery.
"Yes, he had treatment here," a representative said. "He was our patient. But we cannot give out details on his treatment as we are ethically bound to keep these things private."
It was also revealed that Karr, who boarded a US-bound flight from Thailand last night at 11pm (AEST), sought a Bangkok cosmetic surgeons' help in changing his facial features. In his nine months there, he made 12 phone calls from his hotel room - nine of them to plastic surgeons.
Two calls were to the Pratunam Clinic, which specialises in putting men under the knife to become "ladyboys" and also sponsors the annual World's Most Beautiful Transsexual competition. It charges $1600 for the surgery, which could cost up to $25,000 in the West.
Karr was nabbed in Bangkok last week for JonBenet's 1996 murder, telling police and reporters that he accidentally killed the little girl in an assault motivated by his obsessive love for her.
He will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault.
Karr is the first suspect arrested in the death of the child beauty queen - who was strangled and had her skull fractured - after years of investigations and grand jury hearings.
US authorities tracked him down after reading four years' worth of emails between Karr and University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey, 58, who produced documentaries about JonBenet's murder - and who tried to draw out more details about Karr through their hundreds of messages.
The email exchanges began four years ago after Karr met an American writer while staying in a hostel above a Paris bookstore. They immediately revealed his fixation on the beauty princess' mysterious death.
An email he sent on December 23, 2005, just before the anniversary of her death read, in part: "JonBenet, my love, my life.
"I love you and shall forever love you".
As authorities continued to build their case against Karr ahead of his return to the US, prison guards searched the death row cell of Polly Klaas' s killer Richard Davis after learning he may have corresponded with Karr.
No letters were found.
I'd rather study the case and deal with facts.
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