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1 posted on 08/18/2006 12:25:10 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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2 posted on 08/18/2006 12:28:21 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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1) The guy's an idiot for riding without a helmet, but -

2) The CHP are stupid for not actually adopting and publishing some sort of standard.


3 posted on 08/18/2006 12:28:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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4 posted on 08/18/2006 12:31:20 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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6 posted on 08/18/2006 12:34:52 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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I rode bikes for quite a number of years. There is no substitute for the ole "brain bucket". But on the other hand, the liberals keep taking over the ability of the individual to make their own decisions (stupid, or not) which is a continuing effort to give government control over our life and or decisions.

I will take freedom over repression any day.


15 posted on 08/18/2006 1:18:57 PM PDT by EagleUSA (T)
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Well, the simple fact of the matter is that all bikes are deathtraps.

Anyone who rides is a fool who is tempting death.

Oh...wait a minute...I ride...nevermind...
17 posted on 08/18/2006 1:38:20 PM PDT by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: martin_fierro
IIRC, there was a Snell rating for helmets (Motorcycle Safety Foundation). Would be a simple matter to add the preferred Snell # to the vehicle code.
18 posted on 08/18/2006 2:15:54 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: martin_fierro
"State Motorcycle Helmet Law" ***Thread hijacking alert*** ...brought to you by the same folks that are "pro-choice" when it comes to killing unborn children...."hey, it's a privacy matter, when it comes to what a woman wants to do with her own body" donchaknow... To wear a helmet, or not, is a personal choice and should remain as such for all sentient adult primates. The public at large is not at any risk whatsoever from a biker wearing, or not wearing a helmet. And before the usual comments about "public burden" are thrown around, please keep in mind that uninsured motorists, medical care costs for uninsured nationals and illegal aliens FAR outweigh the minuscule burden upon society by a rider seriously injured/killed for not wearing a helmet. Of course, as AC points out so well in her latest book...choice is only available where politically correct and not in such circumstances as how much water your toilet should use with each flush & how much water can flow out of your shower head. Let Those Who Ride Decide. Peace.
31 posted on 08/21/2006 6:37:32 AM PDT by woollyone (Preacher; "If there was more love in the world, there'd probably be a lot less dyin'")
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California Helmet Law Unconstitutional

Helmet Laws are unconstitutional period, since California passed it law back in 1992, it has made loads of published cases used throughout the States and those challenges were used in different States that even had a unconstitutional rulings based from California and many modified their helmet law because of the mass interests of what came from California. If California never passed the helmet law, it would of had less impact on several areas through Congress and the courts, something the California legislature didn't realize when they passed the helmet law it would benefit in repealing helmet laws in other states but also impacted other countries due to the massive data collected from California and written opinions or sparked interests (protests).

Now we have a helmet law that has been declared unconstitutional, not once but a dozen times since 1992 in California as the court will now turn it over because the CHP violated it continuously and just continued violating the law when there were civil rulings placed. The FMVSS No. 218 is just a DOT pamphlet. These tests does us nothing for safety (Penetration, impact attenuation and retention; that’s all it is), so technical that you can submit to DOT a homemade 6-pack styrofoam cooler as the brain bucket with a strong string as a strap system for testing and as the matter of fact, it was tested and passed!! DOT has not perfected the FMVSS No. 218 at all and to think they have not provided a list of approved helmets from the 100,000 different helmets sold in the USA for any of our States that enacted helmet laws to comply back in 1967 from the Congress Highways Act and also in 1991 when it was repealed twice in 1996. Did you know that helmets sold today are 2 out of 10 of a partial recall because of the testing standards and they are being sold daily? However what good does it due, the FMVSS No. 218 stinks, it does use nothing for helmet safety. How do I know? Because I have seen the data and the actual accidents from people killed wearing DOT approved helmets which are sent to NTSHA. Nothing gets done to improve it; I have seen dead victims wearing full face helmets from reports collected from highway accidents, photos and all. It’s nothing to due with high speed or faster motorcycles of today, data has been seen from accidents at 15mph with DOT helmets, which is just a sticker any manufacture can put on, DOT sees nothing, they only make a random call which helmets they might be interested in testing (it is like picking a jury).

There is nothing dumb with riding without a helmet as there are many other dumb things you can be compared to what you could do as well so don't judge a lidless rider compared to something similar that is also dumb you do. Some people HOV lane, they are people who speed and drink at the sometime, free styling, race, ride in the rain, snow or ice wearing a helmet that is more dumber than an individual riding safely without a helmet doing nothing but riding (there are many things examples). There are more countries in this world that do not require helmet use to state there is dangers in these countries because no helmet use as data is available to saying nothing more or less than a helmet requirement country as well. If you road your motorcycle, fell and your helmet saved your life, wonderful, there is also the same data that people which are dead today that cannot say this in a result of wearing a helmet as well too.

There is tons of data available to review from helmet accidents at your finger tips before you judge people are stupid about riding lidless. Sure helmets do provide some sort of protection and have saved lives but also the same result of this is on the other end as well. The National Department of Safety Highway Administration does not like to publish information containing to helmet related accidents, it simply is not passed along as the push is to promote helmet use. There are bi-annual reports from non-relevant parties who write reports on these matters which NHTSA does not like to comment about when anytime there is publish case findings to testify on. Have you read data of this sort or just from a safety pamphlet? If you have, you haven’t seen real available data from helmet accidents to comment about this unless you have friends and yourself who suffered from an accident to tell your story. If so, submit the evidence so others can be informed, we benefit from this than people trying to sell us dangerous products.

The California helmet law has reduced DMV registrations by more the 68% since 1992, it has impacted State taxes and so forth due to the protest of disliked laws that forced people to stopped riding. It screwed up the state completely as this law is now being taken off the books as Governor Schwarzenegger supports the ruling and the repeal. There was nothing saved in hospital costs from headless injuries, there is no data, only data exist is less registrations, it killed the motorcycle population is what it did because of the hate of helmets. Sure the helmet law saved lives but less motorcyclists were on the road, that’s all there is to say that helmet laws save lives. If there is a registration population of the same number before and after the helmet law passed, then there would be some true statistics to verify the data but there is nothing. I have studied this years ago and learned this is a big hype of crooked facts by police agencies and NHTSA so they can lobby to dumb politicians who don’t read anything but vote.

Thank you Richard Quigley for fighting the CA helmet law for 14 years, now we have our freedoms back. God bless you

Scott M.
San Luis Obispo, California


32 posted on 08/26/2006 4:56:09 PM PDT by oxforduniversity
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